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  • #136
    Magical sky pixies and governments don't mix.

    Anyway, to me the whole idea of reciting a pledge to a specific country is laughable. I've only had to say such a thing when I joined the military, and even then I rolled my eyes the whole time.
    "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
    - Lone Star

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    • #137
      So, who wants to answer the question of what god has to do with being american, or vibing off the american spirit?

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      • #138
        My answer: Who cares? .
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • #139
          apparently the senators who voted against the judges' rulings.

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          • #140
            I like the matter-of-factness of this guy here, House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill.

            "Of course, we are one nation, under God. The Pledge of Allegiance is a patriotic salute that brings people of all faiths together to share in the American spirit. "

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            • #141
              Good to see the McCarthyist relic die.

              Of course, it'd be better if the whole idea of pressuring young children to recite loyalty oaths in school were scrapped on that basis alone.

              I still find nothing unconstitutional about it.
              "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion [monotheism] ..."
              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
              -Bokonon

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              • #142
                Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh
                apparently the senators who voted against the judges' rulings.
                I think Congress set a speed record with that resolution.

                PS What are the chance that this might bring out the Republican base in the upcoming elections? Skimming the news today, it looks like that is a distinct possibility.

                Ramo: This decision is so far outside the mainstream of Constitutional thought that, which isn't suprising for this court, that there is no chance of it surviving an appeal before the SCOTUS. It doesn't even fail the tests the Court has set forth in Establishment cases.
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #143
                  Looking at thier record, I'm starting to think that the justices on the 9th Circuit are a bunch a masochists.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #144
                    Good to see the McCarthyist relic die.


                    It didn't die. Likely to be overturned.

                    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion [monotheism] ..."


                    And like I said, how is this establishing a state religion? That's right, it isn't.
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #145
                      I don't see how this is substancially different from a prayer...

                      What are the tests, BTW?
                      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                      -Bokonon

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                      • #146
                        And like I said, how is this establishing a state religion? That's right, it isn't.
                        It promotes one set of religions over another.
                        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                        -Bokonon

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                        • #147
                          I don't see how this is substancially different from a prayer...


                          And I'm don't think that voluntary prayer in school in unconstitutional.

                          However, the SCOTUS will draw a line, saying the Pledge is promoting patriotism and the prayer is promoting religion, thus keeping praying out of school, but the Pledge in (bet ya ).
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #148
                            I think it has a good chance of bringing out the religious right. GWB loves throwing in a god comment here and there too. He routinely talks about all Americans in prayer etc...

                            This will be laughed away as some leftist nonsense, futher delegitimizing alternative perspectives.

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                            • #149
                              It promotes one set of religions over another.


                              So.. ?

                              How does promoting one set of religions lead to ESTABLISHMENT of religion? It doesn't.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                                How does promoting one set of religions lead to ESTABLISHMENT of religion? It doesn't.

                                Sure it does. It sets norms, and what will become legitimate and acceptable in society.

                                Why isn't it "one nation, under several gods..."

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