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  • #46
    Originally posted by Asher

    Obviously never been to many public schools in a while, have you?

    When I went to school we said the pledge. But as I stated earlier in the thread there were two kids that never stood up to say it and nothing was ever said of it. It comes down to bad teachers, not a state enforced religion.
    Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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    • #47
      Still, why should one of the State's "slogans" or "messages" have anything to do with religion?

      It's a very useless part of the pledge and non-religious people tend not to like it.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Asher
        Still, why should one of the State's "slogans" or "messages" have anything to do with religion?

        It's a very useless part of the pledge and non-religious people tend not to like it.
        do you want a state or do you want a nation?


        actually it doesnt matter. it is a nation.

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        • #49
          All religious references must be removed from the government, it is about time that this was made unconstitutional. My plan is coming closer to completion.....
          "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Asher
            Still, why should one of the State's "slogans" or "messages" have anything to do with religion?

            It's a very useless part of the pledge and non-religious people tend not to like it.
            If it's useless then ignore it and go with your life. There are other issues out there that actually impact people in real ways. Instead the courts will be tied up because some dad was offended.
            Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Thorn
              All religious references must be removed from the government, it is about time that this was made unconstitutional. My plan is coming closer to completion.....
              wont ever happen untill there is a world government (unless of course that is your plan )

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Sprayber
                If it's useless then ignore it and go with your life. There are other issues out there that actually impact people in real ways. Instead the courts will be tied up because some dad was offended.
                It's already been ruled.

                It's the appeals to put it back in that will tie up the courts.

                Besides, why can't we just change it to "Satan" so everyone is equally offended, da?
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #53
                  Besides, why can't we just change it to "Satan" so everyone is equally offended, da?
                  Then you know of my plan? Now you must be eliminated, or swear alliegence to me!
                  "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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                  • #54
                    point is, i think, there always going to be references to god or symbols about him/gher/it and what have you...

                    these will propably never go away completely.

                    but there is going to be an increasing "sensitivization" to the cocnerns of people who dont want to be influenced by those.

                    (as in your pledge or our prayer or whatever)

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Asher
                      Why should the State force you to say something about religion?
                      The State isn't forcing you to say it. That isn't what the case is about and is already black letter Constitutional law. What the ruling does do is force those that want to say it, to stop.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Asher
                        Good, it should be unconstitutional.
                        Where, in the Constitution, does it say freedom FROM religion?
                        Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc
                          The State isn't forcing you to say it. That isn't what the case is about and is already black letter Constitutional law. What the ruling does do is force those that want to say it, to stop.
                          How do you figure it forbids people from saying it?

                          Where, in the Constitution, does it say freedom FROM religion
                          Does the US constitution not have a clause about separation of church and state?
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #58
                            Where, in the Constitution, does it say freedom FROM religion?
                            It is implied!
                            "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Asher
                              Does the US constitution not have a clause about separation of church and state?

                              Does it not also guarantee freedom OF religion?
                              Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Asher

                                It's already been ruled.

                                It's the appeals to put it back in that will tie up the courts.

                                The article mentioned that all the court did was over turn it being thrown out. It will be up to the offended to continue the case through the trial.



                                Besides, why can't we just change it to "Satan" so everyone is equally offended, da?
                                How does this fit in the argument?
                                Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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