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You have a constitutional right to refuse to say the pledge, but no right to tell others not to or how to say it. Let it be.
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What I want to know is when this particular court will find that the flag is unconstitutional?
No need to use court time for criminals and the like. Let's occupy it because Suzie's daddy was offended by something.The case was brought by Michael A. Newdow, a Sacramento atheist who objected because his second-grade daughter was required to recite the pledge at the Elk Grove school district. A federal judge dismissed his lawsuit, but the 9th Circuit ordered that the case proceed to trial.Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul TighComment
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Agreed, though I'm not quite as vehement about it. As Kirnwaffen pointed out, you don't HAVE to say it. There are more important issues out there that I'd rather we tackled, but if this was THE ISSUE up for debate, I'd be all for dropping the "under God."Originally posted by Guynemer
Come on Dino, I expected better of you.
"under God" was not originally in the Pledge; it was added to it in the '50s, as a way to affirm American democracy against "godless" communism. "In God We Trust" was added to paper money at the same time for the same reason, IIRC.
The phrase "under God" is a worthless anachronism and it's high time it got tossed into the wastebin of our history.
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Perhaps you could tell me what is wrong with what I've posted.Originally posted by Guynemer
Come on Dino, I expected better of you.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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*counts the days until this is overturned by a higher, less insane court*Comment
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Hey, this is important stuff if you live in Berkley.Originally posted by Sprayber
What I want to know is when this particular court will find that the flag is unconstitutional?
No need to use court time for criminals and the like. Let's occupy it because Suzie's daddy was offended by something.Comment
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yeah, as long as you have the right to refuse to say it, I don't have a problem with it being said in school..."Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez
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w00t Boshko is a psychic I put getting rid of under god/in god we trust in my political platform post a few days ago
The "under god" and the "in god we trust" are pretty much annoying relics of McCarthyism (although there was a limited issue of in god we trust coins during the civil war so its not quite that simple) that I certainly won't miss (I've cross a few in god's we trust off some bills back when I was bored and had nothing better to do
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E Pluribus Unum and One Nation Divisible!
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Good, it should be unconstitutional."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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I hate to disappoint you, Asher & Boshko, but the decision is legally DOA either when it is heard before the entire 9th Circuit or when it hits the SCOTUS.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Why should the State force you to say something about religion?
You might not mind it because you are religious.
What if the Pledge required you to say "Under Satan" rather than "Under God", would you still not mind it?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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The state doesn't require you to say it.Originally posted by Asher
Why should the State force you to say something about religion?
You might not mind it because you are religious.
What if the Pledge required you to say "Under Satan" rather than "Under God", would you still not mind it?Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul TighComment
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I have a compromise position:
"... One nation, under Banana, edible..."
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Obviously never been to many public schools in a while, have you?Originally posted by Sprayber
The state doesn't require you to say it."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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and I have your new national symbol right here:Originally posted by Arrian
I have a compromise position:
"... One nation, under Banana, edible..."
-Arrian
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