The Most Dominating Aircraft Ever?

[steelehc]

Chris: You're being a little harsh on the poor boy. He made up bunch of stuff, or had inaccurate sources, but didn't insult you (unless I'm missing something).

Serb: You are wrong on many counts. You have made a few valid points, however, your bullsh1t is making that look very unimpressive.

My votes for most dominant plane go to the F-105 Thunderchief and the B-29 Superfortress. The Thud had the highest straight-line speed of its time, and could carry more missiles and bombs then most other "fighters." The Superfort had the highest speed, longest range, best protection, and largest bomb load of any aircraft ever, until being exceeded by the B-36 Peacemaker. However, by the time the Peacemaker was available in large numbers, the Russian Tu-95 Bear was being produced, evening out the field.

Steele

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by Serb

F-22 is no less a tech demonstrator then Su-47. With only differnce that SU-47 have far superior desine. The wings you are failed to do.

The Mig-25 was build in 1966 and it is not manufactured anymore, since 1985. But it is still the fastest fighter in the world capable to flight at Speed -3000 km/h. None fighter in the world beats its speed record.

Maybe in your world the F-22 is a demonstrator but in my world the F-22 will be in production 2004-5. Front line duty in 2008/10.

There is a book call "International Air Power Review" Pub by Airtime Publishing in England. They can be e-mail at airpower@airtimepublishing.com.
If you can get this book try it. You might find out just how good or bad some of your planes are. It is pub 4 time each year.

Now about the Mig-25. Have you ever heard of the A-12/F-12/SR-71? The International Air people said this is the fastest Airplane to fly. They went just fast enought to beat the Mig-25. And during the Cold War several Mig-25 try to shoot one down, however the SR-71 just outran it. The US Air Force will only said the plane will fly above 80,000 feet and fly at Mach 3.2.

The F-117 in Serbia was seen by Serbs on the ground and they shot several missile at it and one missile got lucky and hit the plane.

Have you heard of the X-29? It was a forward swept wing. Our X-29 has been flying since 1986.

Chris, I was going to write a summary like you did, however after reading your there would be no way to improved it so thank you. I found no errors.

To our Russian friend I will be 58 years on Thursday. And I'am a military buff.

[TCO]

Originally posted by joseph1944


Maybe in your world the F-22 is a demonstrator but in my world the F-22 will be in production 2004-5. Front line duty in 2008/10.

There is a book call "International Air Power Review" Pub by Airtime Publishing in England. They can be e-mail at airpower@airtimepublishing.com.
If you can get this book try it. You might find out just how good or bad some of your planes are. It is pub 4 time each year.

Now about the Mig-25. Have you ever heard of the A-12/F-12/SR-71? The International Air people said this is the fastest Airplane to fly. They went just fast enought to beat the Mig-25. And during the Cold War several Mig-25 try to shoot one down, however the SR-71 just outran it. The US Air Force will only said the plane will fly above 80,000 feet and fly at Mach 3.2.

The F-117 in Serbia was seen by Serbs on the ground and they shot several missile at it and one missile got lucky and hit the plane.

Have you heard of the X-29? It was a forward swept wing. Our X-29 has been flying since 1986.

Chris, I was going to write a summary like you did, however after reading your there would be no way to improved it so thank you. I found no errors.

To our Russian friend I will be 58 years on Thursday. And I'am a military buff.

Anything left at MINSY? Heard they closed it. Probably revenge for sinking my ship...

[Lancer]

steelehc, wasn't the 105 a great plane except for all the unscheduled very hard umm, landings?

[steelehc]

It got those "landings" by undertaking the most dangerous missions a warplane can run: attacking missile sites designed to shoot down planes. The Thud was the best SAM killer for a number of years.

On the topic of fast planes, no-one mentioned the XB-70 Valkryie, one of, if not the fastest plane ever, at Mach 3 (2000+mph).

Steele

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by GP



Anything left at MINSY? Heard they closed it. Probably revenge for sinking my ship...

As of yesterday Monday March 25 Mare Island is now part of Vallejo City prop. Gray Davis signed the paper work last Friday.

I was working on the 65 until April 30, 69. We had a RIF that day and my Supervisor was being broken back and so he transfer me to the 77 on Friday so he would have my place on Monday. And 17/19 days later guess what. I did not work on the 65 again until it came in for its overhaul some 4 or 5 years later.
I know how it happen but was never interview.

All those years they told us that a Carrier could not make it, however they lied. A Hornet type Carrier was tied up to Berth 12/13 for at lease 3 years and is now out in Suisun. Also there is a LPH there now. Might be the Iwo Jima.

I was one of the Shop 11 Test guys. We did the Tank Coordinator part also, closing and testing the tanks. Depending what year you were there, we make have spoken to each other.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by steelehc
Chris: You're being a little harsh on the poor boy. He made up bunch of stuff, or had inaccurate sources, but didn't insult you (unless I'm missing something).

Calling me a liar is insulting, as is telling me I was "fooled" into thinking cadets were were officers, which would be interesting, as the average age of the men there was early 30s late 20s, very old for cadets.

Originally posted by joseph1944
Chris, I was going to write a summary like you did, however after reading your there would be no way to improved it so thank you. I found no errors.

Thanks for the kind words, I would have extended it into the 60s and on, but somehow became ...distracted.

If memory serves, Blackbirds were clocked at mach 3.2 at 80,000 feet, damn fast, in fact, the fatest military aircraft ever.
The Mig-25 is the fastest interceptor of all time, but it became understood that flat out speed wasn't everything.

http://www.sr-71.org/

Designed in 1958-62, the MiG-25 was to be used to intercept mainly the American supersonic XB-70 Valkyrie bomber, and other high-altitude fast-flying aircraft. Though it is large, heavy, and not at all technologically advanced, the MiG-25 is the fastest interceptor aircraft of its time. Armed with a powerful long-range radar and large AAMs, the 'Foxbat' has virtually no capability for close combat due to its bulky, unmaneuverable airframe.
Although the B-70 was eventually cancelled, production of the MiG-25 went ahead, and took to the air as the Ye-155R-1 recce prototype on March 6, 1964. A Ye-155P-1 interceptor prototype followed on September 9th of the same year.

http://home.achilles.net/~rjl/aircraft_html/mig25.html

The F-15 Eagle was the first plane in history to ever have a thurst to weight ratio of 1:1, making near vertical climb possible.
Unlike it's predessor, the Phamtom II, it was designed from the ground up as an air superiority fighter, not multi-role, that came much later.
This remarkable machine is still as effective as when it first rolled out of the MacDonald Douglas factory.

http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/F_15_Eagle.html

It's a tribute to it's designers that nearly 30 years later it still flies as first line equipment.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Chris 62
The F-15 Eagle was the first plane in history to ever have a thurst to weight ratio of 1:1, making near vertical climb possible.

This remarkable machine is still as effective as when it first rolled out of the MacDonald Douglas factory.

It's even more remarkable watching them as the were rolled off the assembly line in St. Louis. They would execute "Viking Lift Off"s at Lambert Field. The Controlers would clear a 100' by 100' square one mile straight up... it was fun to watch. I have poster size picture taken by a pilot buddy of mine looking straight down at the runway he just lifted off from... Awesome stuff!

[steelehc]

Chris: I did not see him call you a liar, however, I have not read this entire thread. If he did, then I take back what I said. Go ahead and nail him.

I did not know that the SR-71 was clocked over Mach 3. Thanks for the link.

I think the Convair XFY-1 Pogo and the Lockheed XVF-1 Salmon were roughly 1:1, and they were built in the early 1950s.

Ming: Are you a pilot?

Steele

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by steelehc
Chris: I did not see him call you a liar, however, I have not read this entire thread. If he did, then I take back what I said. Go ahead and nail him.

I did not know that the SR-71 was clocked over Mach 3. Thanks for the link.

I think the Convair XFY-1 Pogo and the Lockheed XVF-1 Salmon were roughly 1:1, and they were built in the early 1950s.

Ming: Are you a pilot?

Steele

Remember the SR-71 went just fast enough to beat the Mig-25 record. The Air Force even today will not say how fast she really is.

[Ming]

Originally posted by steelehc
Ming: Are you a pilot?

I wish...
But my agency worked on the McDonnell Douglas account for 25 years. I spent 20 years of my career being their media guru.
Most of our contacts were ex (or current) fighter pilots. My love for aviation and military history served me well in my dealings with them.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Chris 62
The Soviets were an Empire built on dehumanizing and slavery.
They fell in 89, the break=up of the bastardization known as the Soviet Union was in 91 for seperate Republics forced into it by military means, in other words, your playing semantics, I'm not.
Soviets were finished in 89, that's what I said, that's what I meant.

bastardization ???? forced into it by military means????
Btw, in summer of 1991 in SU was an national referendum (a poll, a vote) with only one question- "do you whant to live in one, solid country?". The absolutely majority of population answered- yes. The local political elite of republic desroyed SU, not poulation.

Big who cares for where your from, they are equally useless.

Useless for whom?

Russia is a sink hole that has long been a blot on human freedom, but hey, that's only my opinion.

the same I could same about USA now, look at Paiktis pictures to learn what the rest of the world think about USA.

You tried to turn a discussion about airpower into a Russian love fest.

Because you and your buddies (them mostly) turned this disscusion into USA love fest.

Sorry, for all of Russia's many aviation accomplishments, they don't have the best aircraft now, nor have they ever.

At least, this much close to truth. We don't have/had the best aircraft as well as you are. Both American and Soviet/Russian planes have its advantages and disadvantages. There never was an ideal plane and as I see it never will be.

Are they not all like you?

Sorry, they are. No one is amirer of F-15 here.

The designs of a fighter are dictated by it's designer,

Who works with aero dynamic laws to find the optimal shape of the plane and because those laws are constant everywhere on this planet, the optimal shape is const to. That's why shape of planes are familiar.

This alone invalidates much of what you say.
The Stumovik was designed and used for ground attack, [i]not strategic operations. I don't know why you have it in your head they did, but they did not.
It was the most produced aircraft yes, but not the most dominating, but it would rate in the top ten in WWII, I never said otherwise, you are the one insisting it's strategic, not I.

WTF??????????
What are you talking about? I've never, NEVER said that IL-2 was a bomber, even a child in my country know that it was Shturmovik not bomber. And I've never said that Il-2 was engaged in bombing of Berlin in 1941.

Numbers does not equate to domination, that is patently obvious.

Ok, If IL-2 was a crap then yes, it is no matter how many of them were produced. But it was very good plane, with exelent fire power, Nazi ground troops called him a "Black Death" and exelent armour, Nazi fighers called him a "Concrete fighter".
So, I'm still think that there was no a absolutely dominating aircraft. All this thread is spam mostly, but if you whant to continue this, parameters must be establish to determnate the dominance, otherwise this spam will continue. You've said a quantity it is not a parameter to derminate the dominance, then
name the traits the most dominating aircraft should have.

Your just making a fool of yourself, but since you persist:
Ploesti, round trip, 2,400 miles, or 3862.43 Kilometers , or 1431 KM each way, against the heaviestly defended target in the Riech.
Want more?

Thanks for the links.

Little, as in politcally insignificant.

Like Nepal or Bangladesh, right?

There is nothing wrong with being Russian, being a Soviet is to be of questionable moral fibre in reguards to human rights.

Thanks for explanation that there is nothing wrong to being a Russian. In other words you giving me a right to live?
It means that your powerfull army will not invade my little and useless country in near future?

[Chris 62]

I never mocked the IL-2, in fact, it's probaly the finest ground attack aircraft ever produced.

If our countries ever met in war, everybody would be the loser, because nobody would be left alive on Earth.

I know about America and it's mistakes and faults, do you understand exactly what the Soviets were?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Keygen
Sukhoy's aircrafts prototyped in the early 90s might have been of the same level or even better than the Western aircrafts. However with Eurofighter and F-22 and the awful Russian economy Russina aircrafts possibly will not have a chance to compete as equals.

Hard to say. They are definitely much cheaper than Western counterparts, so Russian crafts are popular with the PRC and India at least. The PRC got a bunch of Su-27's and will be getting Su-30MKK's. India ordered some of the more advanced but less stable Su-30MKI's.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Chris 62
I never mocked the IL-2, in fact, it's probaly the finest ground attack aircraft ever produced.

I'm glad you think so, because some people, like A. Horse for example thought that it was a joke when I've said Il-2 was a very good plane.

If our countries ever met in war, everybody would be the loser, because nobody would be left alive on Earth.

Yes, it is clear for everyone I suppose. It is better that it will never happen.

do you understand exactly what the Soviets were?

Let me guess..... a sink hole that has long been a blot on human freedom, right???