Fellow E. Europeans - let's show our gratitude to the west by posting "thanks" here!

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fellow E. Europeans - let's show our gratitude to the west by posting "

Just for the first two comments I obviously disagree, and for the third one, nobody seems to remember that this happened before. And in the 400000 i should have put Croats and others living in that area.

Originally posted by LaRusso




let me quote one of his 'corrupt' outbursts:
" I am glad my wife is not a Serb or a Jew" ( I dare you to find a comparable statement made by Milosevic, or ANY head of state in Europe)

I haven't heard this yet(obviously) but i could expect something like this from him.

true. some of them are dead (like zec family). you honestly think that croatia is a better place for minorities than any of its neighbours?

I cannot exclude that there was no cases of people being killed on that basis, but that is the reason why croatian soldiers and generals are going to Hague for the crimes they commited. I have not heard of the 'family Zec' case, nor when it happened, and whoever commited the crime should go to court and be dealt with. Well in the US now there were loonies who killed muslims now out of hate too. So I guess that can happen. But i think it overall stays that Serbs who stayed did not have any problems. like if they were abused by the system and similar. (i guess the same goes for the croats in Serbia, at least i haven't heard anything) I myself know many of them from my own city who are all right and have no problem whatsoever and are friends of my family as they used to be, they have their jobs live the life like everyone else etc...

hm. serbs get full sanctions for paramilitary assistance and funding, croatia 'amost' gets them for their REGULAR army troops fighting in Bosnia

You wouldn't call using the JNA arsenal and artillery open assistance,a nd first hand advantage? As for the regular Croatian army, well they did contiunue their march after 'oluja' to free Bosinan parts, and they were on an offensive actually with Muslims and Bosnian Croats. However this was to push the Serbs (who up to than controlled around 75% and more of territory) to their pre-agreed 49%. that is the reason USA gave us the green light. Actually in that action Croats and Muslims got more than 51% but they withdrew weeks later to comply with the agreement, and Croatian regular troops left than. So i guess they didn't punish us because of that (there was no way that Bosnian serbs would just withdraw to comply as this was already tried before). But if we continued to conquer there we would definitley get the embargo,and who knows what else?

you can thank cancer for finally ending his reign. otherwise, he would still be the president and his family would still steal millions from ordinary people, while instigating xenophobia, ethnic hatred and petty balkan nationalism. tudjman and slobo are two of a kind, it is just that the former quickly sided with germany and proved, to that extent, a bit shrewder.

I definitley agree with the cancer. It is a bit sad that but it is true and some nationalistic morons in my county would kill me for this comment. But we were luckier to have an older dictator with a cancer as opposed to you. It was God's gift for the new millenium. On Jan 2. 2000 we got a new president. It is not easy now, but with time we will rebuild, and i am actually thinking to move back now too. But i have to wait for my wife to finish studying before.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Re: Re: Re: Re: This is not sarcasm!

Originally posted by Rogan Josh

Unfortunately it seems that some people are so close minded as to object to an economic system because of its past associations, rather than develop a balanced view based on its advantages and disadvantages.

Oh, you are upset that rational people use its 100% failure rate in the area of personal freedom, and political freedom, and a nearly as miserable economic record as a criterion to judge and predict its future. You would prefer that the person judging it pull unsupported fantasy out their ass as you do. The key facet tying communism to oppressive government is coercion. Its is a coercive economic system. Those subject to it will chose to use other freedoms available to them such as political or personal to obtain economic choices, ergo, communism must destroy those freedoms to survive.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Roland
Hey, he was thanking the west. Nobody said anything about Texas....

Point made.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
Gozer:



that probably explain the fact why western democracies mostly tend to capitalism : human is inherently good = greed is inherent = greed is good (?!)



oh , and of course : "thanks "

Communism is maybe a good system on paper, but in reality it does not work, so I could even excuse Lenin for trying this (his generation great -grandchildren, ad well as all in between)are suffering now (and were suffering)because of that what he made possible. but there is no excuse for you for being blind as a bat and advocating 'their' communism from your comfortable chair in front of a computer in a capitalist country.

For me Stalinist communism is the the same as Hitlers nazism. At least it had the same results. Only that Stalin did not go into an open was with the rest of the world. Which we can all be glad that dhe did not, nor any of his successors. Other communist countries/ regimes were a tad better, or even a lot like Yugoslavia. but it still doesn't come close to present day free market capitalism/ mixed economy as a social- economic norm.

I am not saying that capitalism is prefect, it is far from it, but it is still the best humans came up with so far on a big scale. It should be improved , and communism as it was is surely not the way. I advocate some sort of socialism, like in Sweden which still has many weaknesses, but at least the biggest percentage of people live a decent life.

[Fidel]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fellow E. Europeans - let's show our gratitude to the west by posting &q

Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
I haven't heard this yet(obviously) but i could expect something like this from him.

https://www.aimpress.org/dyn/pubs/archive/data/199711/71103-020-pubs-zag.htm

I cannot exclude that there was no cases of people being killed on that basis, but that is the reason why croatian soldiers and generals are going to Hague for the crimes they commited. I have not heard of the 'family Zec' case, nor when it happened, and whoever commited the crime should go to court and be dealt with.

http://www.aimpress.org/dyn/pubs/archive/data/199505/50522-001-pubs-zag.htm

http://free.freespeech.org/ex-yupress/nacional/nacional10.html

[Fidel]

Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
For me Stalinist communism is the the same as Hitlers nazism. At least it had the same results.

for whom? germans vs. soviets? lets recapitulate
hitler takes power in 1933. in 12 years his country is pulverized

stalin takes over circa 1931 (we can argue about this one). in 22 years he beats the mightiest army in the world, grabs half of europe, prepares russian space domination and acquires atomic bomb. russia jumps from 1% share of world economy to second place. human toll is enormous but it became a superpower, a nation full of literate people, strong science and really strong welfare.

i am afraid you are comparing only one aspect of their reign. stalin purged his 'enemies'. hitler did likewise, but he also purged whole nations who happened to be 'lower'. it's a huge difference.

[DanS]

Re: Does Inga look like this?!?!

Originally posted by derek
Well then hand the b1tch over!!?!?

WE ARE BACKED BY NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!

[Fidel]

Re: Re: Does Inga look like this?!?!

Originally posted by DanS


WE ARE BACKED BY NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!

you mean 'nucular'?

[DinoDoc]

Rogan?

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me which nations of S. America are capitalistic.

[Fidel]

Re: Rogan?

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me which nations of S. America are capitalistic.

Are there any socialist countries except Cuba? (including C. America). Please enlighten us...

[DinoDoc]

Re: Re: Rogan?

Originally posted by LaRusso
Are there any socialist countries except Cuba? (including C. America). Please enlighten us...

Beats me. I never claimed there were any socialist nations in S. America.

[Fidel]

Re: Re: Re: Rogan?

Originally posted by DinoDoc


Beats me. I never made any such claim.

Oh I see They have beaten Blair & Schroder on the path of the 'third way'!
Dino, wakey wakey. They are ALL capitalist countries. YOu take your greens there and you can freely appropriate the fruits of someone else's labour.

[DinoDoc]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Rogan?

Originally posted by LaRusso
Dino, wakey wakey. They are ALL capitalist countries.

The US isn't even a capitalist country, LaRusso. So, you're going to have a tough time of convincing me of this claim.

[Gozer]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
Gozer:


that probably explain the fact why western democracies mostly tend to capitalism : human is inherently good = greed is inherent = greed is good (?!)

Nothing like spouting tired rhetoric straight from Hollywood...

I make no moral claims as to greed being good or bad. I simply point out that we are born more capitalist than communist. "Sharing" is one of the hardest lesson to teach a child.

And you have it backwards. Democracy followed capitalism in the west. It is more accurate to say that that western capitalist nations tended (slowly) towards democracy, rather than the other way around. Democracy in turn has led the west towards socialism.

oh , and of course : "thanks "

No thanks needed. You would have done exactly the same thing if you were in my place...

[DanS]

Really, we're mixing the sacred with the profane. I appreciate Roman's sentiments.

Right after the Velvet Revolution, I corresponded with some Kosicens. Oddly, the vanguard of Western culture was the tele-evangelists? Tell me this is no longer the case, Roman!

Anyway, I view it as a great victory, whatever anybody else says, and despite the fact that the fight consisted mostly of threatening to destroy all human life. Everybody's starting to do good business, which will raise living standards globally.

In time, the commie Chinese will meet their doom. I'm hopeful, although admittedly we're using a slightly different strategy.