Fellow E. Europeans - let's show our gratitude to the west by posting "thanks" here!

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Seeker
*On second thought maybe this is just the snobbery of some of the literature and diaries I am reading in my researches...there seems to be a sort of implication that Eastern Europeans need a sort of 'administrator' class than can get things running business-like*

The Eastern Europe I am thinking of is not really the Czechs, Hungarians, or Lithuanians but the 'crap' part like Rumanians, Moldovians, Poles, etc.

Hm, I see that Lithuanians already convinced you that they are better than the Poles. I wonder what is next....

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Seeker
The Eastern Europe I am thinking of is not really the Czechs, Hungarians, or Lithuanians but the 'crap' part like Rumanians, Moldovians, Poles, etc.

Oh ho ho! Wait until Mihai sees this

Luckily most Poles are stuck in the civ 3 forums

[Seeker]

"Luckily most Poles are stuck in the civ 3 forums"

One day, far, far in the future...they will discover the mysterious 'scroll' button on their mice, and a whole new world will open up

Until that day, I can live in peace...

[Bereta_Eder]

Well there is a Pole who makes his appearance here without warning. Jools I think he's called. We discussed his relanctance to join the EU

[Seeker]

"a Pole who makes his appearance here without warning. "



I can imagine the warning....marcos would run the 'Emergency Polish Warning System' banner...



WARNING!! WARNING!! POLE POSTING!!

TAKE COVER!! THE MANAGEMENT TAKES NO RESPONSIBLITY!!

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Seeker
"a Pole who makes his appearance here without warning. "



I can imagine the warning....marcos would run the 'Emergency Polish Warning System' banner...



WARNING!! WARNING!! POLE POSTING!!

TAKE COVER!! THE MANAGEMENT TAKES NO RESPONSIBLITY!!

You sound as if there is a danger of which we should be aware of??

[Seeker]

(sigh) I was just making fun of how you said that there is a Pole who posts without giving warning...

The idea that he should give some sort of warning struck me as amusing.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Seeker
(sigh) I was just making fun of how you said that there is a Pole who posts without giving warning...

The idea that he should give some sort of warning struck me as amusing.

It was supposed to be funny and make you laugh. After your responce I thought of something even more wicket to say but that would have been to offending... maybe...


So I took the middle boring road and answered differently ...

[Sikander]

Re: Re: Re: Re: This is not sarcasm!

Originally posted by LaRusso

I guess communists exterminated Native Indians. Also, it was them who orchestrated genocide against Armenians. Nice religious people all over Europe decimated each other for centuries under 'capitalism'. Also, capitalism is the system of many small states you would rather put under the carpet. Wa-hey, South Africa was also capitalist during apartheid, and so was America during slavery and later segregation. To equate capitalism with civil liberties is wrong. It can exist without them.

Well it wasn't capitalists who exterminated the Indians that's for sure, unless you call subsistance farming capitalism. Read some U.S. history, you'll see that it was economically backward people (like my ancestors) who kept encroaching on the Indians (also my ancestors). Farmers, herders, hunters killed the Indians, or in some cases created the political will to have it done by the army in the end.

Were the Turks of 1918 capitalists? If so the term is meaningless. As for South Africa and the U.S. having less than stellar civil rights records historically, look at them today. While capitalism may not demand strong civil rights to function in internal markets initially, it will be subsumed by more efficient systems because of the greater profits to be made when everyone in the state's abilities are allowed to be realized, and in the savings in security costs that a repressive state must expend.

Originally posted by LaRusso

please take some time to count the number of capitalist countries in which people live only slightly better than animals. enjoy!

Give me a few examples to get me started.

Originally posted by LaRusso
likewise, why dont you stop saving us constantly from someone. mind your own business.

Oh, I'm done saving Yugoslavia which I never considered a part of the Soviet bloc in the first place. You would really like my foreign policy La Russo, especially in comparison to Bush Sr., Clinton and Bush Jr. I wanted the U.S. out of NATO 10 years ago. I wanted the savings from that invested in alternative energy research, the decommissioning of most of our carriers (and some of that money spent on the development of arsenal ships). I wanted the U.S. to improve relations with Russia as it was leaving NATO, and a general but not precipitous pull back from most of our numerous security commitments. I am a neo-isolationist.

Once the Soviet Union fell and IMO our commitment to the vast majority of our allies fulfilled I wanted to pull back and let the rest of the world get back to normal and start hating each other again. Being an overcommitted loudmouthed superpower is the surest way to decline. Hopefully it's not too late, but I fear that we are going down at least a bit before we rise again.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Re: Fellow E. Europeans - let's show our gratitude to the west by posting "thanks"

Originally posted by Roman
As an Eastern European, I would like to express my gratitude to the West in general and the US in particular for freeing us from the communist oppression. I am aware this required considerable sacrifices on your part and that we will never be able to fully pay you back this "moral debt" - all we can do is say "thank you"!

I hope other people from the former Communist Block will join me and show Western Europe and the US that we appreciate what they have done for us.

I surely do appreciate it, thanks US and the west. Even though former Yugoslavia was probably the best communist country ever (and Croats live worse now than theyt did than, 5 years of war followed with 5 years of organised criminals on power) it still lived out of the foreigh debt (Tito exploiting the situation), you could not develop private business... and if you were not one of the communist cronies you could just about forget about living better. ie That was the only way to promote yourself in the society. Corruption flourished, sucking up the ass to the supreiors was the art of the day, and so on... (and that culture crept easily into democracy which makes a good shift much harder than it could be) Now we are at least free to develop as we see fit and after this government sets up a legal framework I can see the county coming out of this ****e in which it is at the moment. (I just hope we continue to elect some decent ,honest if they exist, politicians to lead us out of this) Now at least we have this right to vote and choose! In 10 years we will hopefully see the difference. If the whole change happened in the 60's we would be living like western Europeans today, but well... the west might not be utopia, but it surely give everyone a chance to educate and progress in his life if he chooses to do so. Choice is surely a good thing.


And on another note thanks to the west for bombing Yugoslavia (or Serbia) and this should have been done earlier if you ask me (or at least some firm action taken before - not bombing, before 25000 killed in Croatia and 100 000 or more in Bosnia.) However there would be even less understanding than it is now for that action.

[Saras]

*kills Seeker*

*eats his bones*

*Kicks LaRusso in the balls*

*quickly runs away*

[Fidel]

Re: Re: Fellow E. Europeans - let's show our gratitude to the west by posting "thanks&q

Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
And on another note thanks to the west for bombing Yugoslavia (or Serbia) and this should have been done earlier if you ask me (or at least some firm action taken before - not bombing, before 25000 killed in Croatia and 100 000 or more in Bosnia.) However there would be even less understanding than it is now for that action.

Perhaps you should thank them for not nuking you after the expulsion of 250,000 Serbs from Croatia and for not indicting your fascist president?

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Saras
*kills Seeker*

*eats his bones*

*Kicks LaRusso in the balls*

*quickly runs away*

i see that you quickly uprooted oppressive soviet bon-ton. more south central LA these days?

[knowhow2]

Originally posted by Saras
*kills Seeker*

*eats his bones*

*Kicks LaRusso in the balls*

*quickly runs away*

hahahahahaha

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Berzerker
You're wrong! "Objectivism"/freedom is the most ethical system there is...

That may or may not be true, Berz. I'm not qualified to judge how ethical something is but that still doesn't change my opinion that the "selfishness as a virtue" principle is flawed.