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  • #61
    What would happen to price of the house if opportunists like you didn't buy them in the first place? Maybe then everyone could afford one. Did you ever think of that?

    Yep. You know what I did? Get ready...this is top secret stuff you're about to read.

    I went to a realtor!

    Wow...amazing stuffs. There were thousands of houses for sale. Thousands.

    Some had been on the market for a long time. A year or more.

    The people who owned them were getting tired of holding onto them and were ready to deal on price.

    So we negotiated.

    Here's the next big secret. The work I did was entirely available to the public! That means that ANYONE could have done EXACTLY the same thing.

    Anyone.

    3% down, Kid. That's all it takes. Save up enough for three % down (15% in my case, since these are investment props). So I actually had to pay FIVE TIMES MORE than people looking to buy a primary residence.

    Five hundred percent more!!! Gosh I feel exploited now.

    Here's the third big secret. Right now...today...there are more houses on the market than there were when I purchased!

    There's a constant supply of them. That happens when people live in a free society and can come and go as it suits them. I like that a lot.

    Here's the third big secret. Wanna know how many homes are owned by investors in Richland County (where I live)? 3%.

    Yep. 3%.

    Which tells me that 97% are owned by the folks actually living in them.

    Which tells me that, best case, if NO ONE bought investment properties, housing prices would drop by....3%.

    Median housing prices in this area are $80,000

    3% of 80k (your downpayment) would be $2400.00


    97% of that value (if no one were buying investment properties and the housing price dropped by the predicted 3%) $2328...or seventy-two dollars.

    But that's prolly not the answer you were hoping for.

    -=Vel=-
    The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Tuberski
      What's wrong with it Kid?

      It's better than the government contemplating a need I have then figuring out a way to keep me from it.

      ACK!
      Um. No. It's not. Obviously one way favors the rich.
      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Kidicious


        Um. No. It's not. Obviously one way favors the rich.
        And they other way favors sheep that can't think for themselves.

        Besides which, in Vel's example, the people are getting a place to live.

        You only seem to look at who gets the money in a capitalist system.

        You never talk about the results of giving the money to someone else.

        Therefore, by your definition, you are a capitalist, since money is the only object you seem to care about

        ACK!
        Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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        • #64

          3% down, Kid. That's all it takes. Save up enough for three % down (15% in my case, since these are investment props). So I actually had to pay FIVE TIMES MORE than people looking to buy a primary residence.

          Five hundred percent more!!! Gosh I feel exploited now.


          Four hundred percent more. Lying capitalist exploiter

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          • #65
            Vel,

            I have absolutely not desire to buy houses to rent them out to poor people who can't afford to buy them. Honestly, I could never live with myself.

            If you wouldn't have bought that house to rent it out the price would have dropped and the sellers would have to work something out with the residents so that they could have bought the house, but because of opportunists like you inflating prices with your speculation and expectations for rent, they get exploited. It's systematic, and you are just as guilty as the next guy. You got some serious blood on your hands.
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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            • #66
              If you wouldn't have bought that house to rent it out the price would have dropped and the sellers would have to work something out with the residents so that they could have bought the house, but because of opportunists like you inflating prices with your speculation and expectations for rent, they get exploited. It's systematic, and you are just as guilty as the next guy. You got some serious blood on your hands.


              Did you just read the big post explaining how much the price would've gone down had there been no speculators?

              $72

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              • #67
                'zazel: Well, if the soviets had the exact same definition for capitalist (Websters, in case you were wondering), then the point does indeed stand.

                Capitalism IS the act of applying capital to wealth creation. Capitalists ARE the wielders (and often owners) of that wealth.

                That's just what the word means.

                Tubes: on the $100.00 bucks...sure...no interest, and pay me back whenever...check's in the mail...

                Kid: It's better than the government contemplating a need I have then figuring out a way to keep me from it.


                I hate to disappoint you, but I do not spend a large amount of time each day contemplating YOUR needs.

                Nor do I try to keep you from them, whatever they may be.

                I do not claim (like you and many of your red brothers) to KNOW what it is that you need. I assume you do. That's....sorta your responsibility as a human being...you know? To figure out your own needs?

                One would imagine so, at any rate.

                So....in the absence of knowing what your needs may be, in no way and at no time do I try and prevent you from achieving them.

                Your point, with that rant?

                -=Vel=-
                The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Kidicious
                  Vel,

                  I have absolutely not desire to buy houses to rent them out to poor people who can't afford to buy them. Honestly, I could never live with myself.

                  If you wouldn't have bought that house to rent it out the price would have dropped and the sellers would have to work something out with the residents so that they could have bought the house, but because of opportunists like you inflating prices with your speculation and expectations for rent, they get exploited. It's systematic, and you are just as guilty as the next guy. You got some serious blood on your hands.
                  And therefore, the poor people remain homeless.

                  ACK!
                  Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                  • #69
                    'zazel: Well, if the soviets had the exact same definition for capitalist (Websters, in case you were wondering), then the point does indeed stand.

                    Capitalism IS the act of applying capital to wealth creation. Capitalists ARE the wielders (and often owners) of that wealth.

                    That's just what the word means.


                    Thus, anyone who creates wealth by applying capital, is a capitalist. including the soviets.
                    urgh.NSFW

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Velociryx
                      I hate to disappoint you, but I do not spend a large amount of time each day contemplating YOUR needs.
                      Bull****. You bought the property because you knew there were people who couldn't buy a house. Don't ****ing act like you think everone can buy a house. You ****ing know damn well everyone can't. You count on it so that you can collect rent. ****ing liar.
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                      • #71
                        Walker...d'oh! Oops...my bad. Yep...I'm SUCH a pigdog!

                        Kid: Read the post that Walker references. Not the answer you wanted, but... I can't help that.

                        Blood on my hands? For what? Taking INITIATIVE? Fixing the places up and making them livable again? Turning houses into homes that people WANT to live in. That people freely CHOOSE to live in?

                        Expecting SOMETHING in exchange for my hard work?

                        Oh yes. That makes me a very bad man indeed. What should I do? Because I have the money, buy the houses and give them to the needy? If I did, would they not be exploiting MY labor?

                        -=Vel=-
                        The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Kidicious


                          Bull****. You bought the property because you knew there were people who couldn't buy a house. Don't ****ing act like you think everone can buy a house. You ****ing know damn well everyone can't. You count on it so that you can collect rent. ****ing liar.
                          Like Vel pointed out, they don't HAVE to rent from him. I guess you think all apartment building should be tore down as well.

                          Only people that can afford housing should have housing?

                          You may not think you are saying that, but you are.

                          ACK!
                          Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Kidicious
                            Bull****. You bought the property because you knew there were people who couldn't buy a house. Don't ****ing act like you think everone can buy a house. You ****ing know damn well everyone can't. You count on it so that you can collect rent. ****ing liar.
                            He also knew that none of them would've been able to buy a house if he gave them $72.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Velociryx
                              Oh yes. That makes me a very bad man indeed. What should I do? Because I have the money, buy the houses and give them to the needy? If I did, would they not be exploiting MY labor?
                              Don't buy the houses ****er. You know other people need them to live in. Why the **** would you buy them, unless you are a ****er.
                              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                              • #75
                                Because even if he doesn't buy them, the other people won't be able to live in them?

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