Ukraine

[Gangerolf]

Ukraine's election commission has declared Yanukovych the winner

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/24/ukraine/index.html

This doesn't seem to change much wrt to the demonstrators, though

[GePap]

And Powell says the US won't accept the results as valid.

Yay! A new international crisis

We simply did not have enough of them around

[Gangerolf]

Wow

[Pekka]

Well different instances are calling it not just a little fix but a massive fraud. Seems like no one is accepting the results, outside Ukraine either.

Let's hope no one has to bring military to the streets, no one gives reason for it and that no one answers with it.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap
And Powell says the US won't accept the results as valid.

Yay! A new international crisis

We simply did not have enough of them around

at least on this one the US seems to be aligned with the EU in our response. Id say it would be a bigger crisis (for us) if we undercut the EU position.

[GePap]

Its a pretty big crisis period-the question is, what does Leonid Kuchma do? and how long can these protests last?

[Az]

Originally posted by Tingkai
This is weird.

Was it poison or just spoiled sushi?

VIENNA, Austria - As Ukraine's popular opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko claimed victory yesterday in hotly contested presidential elections, mystery continued to shroud an appearance-altering illness that twice prompted him to check into a Vienna hospital.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...acodalogin=yes

Every time I see that pic, I am shocked. What the **** did the KGB do to him?

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Evidence that a single western state "inspired" this?

The tents that are used on the Independence Square are very sophisticated and expensive.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap
Its a pretty big crisis period-

Yup, it is looking like the West Ukrainians are having trouble keeping their compromise with East Ukrainians (to oversimplify) and with Russia on the question of Ukraines identity and future. A 'velvet divorce" would be almost impossible geographically, given the mixed population in Kiev, and Kievs historical importance in RUSSIAN identity. This could be VERY nasty.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by The Vagabond


The tents that are used on the Independence Square are very sophisticated and expensive.

Good one vagabond.

[DanS]

Those sophisticated and expensive tents can be purchased by Soros without the involvement of any government. However, I wouldn't be surprised to find out the US is helping the opposition with training and infrastructure like cell phones, as we did in Serbia.

[Pekka]

Oh SNAP! Looking at that pic.. man nothing can do that to you except chemicals.. that's poisoning right there.. how much time between these photos? Also what is this whole poisoning thing, we assume it's FSB, but why would they poison this cat?

[DanS]

This guy's great.

People Power!!!

Damn, that looks cold. :shiver:

[The Vagabond]

What is being implemented by the West is the classical algorithm of demonization, the target of which is now the Ukrainian election and the current Ukrainian government. Various western organisations and governments and the media cry in unison how undemocratic and dirty the election was, blah, blah. The public readily believes all this, and the circle of demonization is closed. Even the Ukrainians who voted for Yanukovich must now really be afraid that their country might become an international outcast, a rogue state. Perhaps, many of them would now agree to vote for Yushchenko if only to avoid such a sad prospect. For this reason, I strongly suspect that if a repeated election were held, Yushchenko would win. This is the glorious western democracy in action in application to third countries. Congratulations.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
What is being implemented by the West is the classical algorithm of demonization, the target of which is now the Ukrainian election and the current Ukrainian government. Various western organisations and governments and the media cry in unison how undemocratic and dirty the election was, blah, blah. The public readily believes all this, and the circle of demonization is closed. Even the Ukrainians who voted for Yanukovich must now really be afraid that their country might become an international outcast, a rogue state.

Who visited Ukraine during the election? Who endorsed a candidate? Its pretty obvious WHO has been pressuring Ukraine - and WHO is so angry that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have taken to the streets in defiance of that pressure.

But the vast conspiracy that includes everyone from Foxnews to the Guardian marches on. Right.