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  • Ukraine's election commission has declared Yanukovych the winner


    This doesn't seem to change much wrt to the demonstrators, though
    CSPA

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    • And Powell says the US won't accept the results as valid.

      Yay! A new international crisis

      We simply did not have enough of them around
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      • Wow
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        • Well different instances are calling it not just a little fix but a massive fraud. Seems like no one is accepting the results, outside Ukraine either.

          Let's hope no one has to bring military to the streets, no one gives reason for it and that no one answers with it.
          In da butt.
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          • Originally posted by GePap
            And Powell says the US won't accept the results as valid.

            Yay! A new international crisis

            We simply did not have enough of them around
            at least on this one the US seems to be aligned with the EU in our response. Id say it would be a bigger crisis (for us) if we undercut the EU position.
            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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            • Its a pretty big crisis period-the question is, what does Leonid Kuchma do? and how long can these protests last?
              If you don't like reality, change it! me
              "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
              "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
              "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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              • Originally posted by Tingkai
                This is weird.

                Was it poison or just spoiled sushi?

                VIENNA, Austria - As Ukraine's popular opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko claimed victory yesterday in hotly contested presidential elections, mystery continued to shroud an appearance-altering illness that twice prompted him to check into a Vienna hospital.
                http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...acodalogin=yes
                Every time I see that pic, I am shocked. What the **** did the KGB do to him?
                urgh.NSFW

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                • Originally posted by lord of the mark


                  Evidence that a single western state "inspired" this?
                  The tents that are used on the Independence Square are very sophisticated and expensive.
                  Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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                  • Originally posted by GePap
                    Its a pretty big crisis period-
                    Yup, it is looking like the West Ukrainians are having trouble keeping their compromise with East Ukrainians (to oversimplify) and with Russia on the question of Ukraines identity and future. A 'velvet divorce" would be almost impossible geographically, given the mixed population in Kiev, and Kievs historical importance in RUSSIAN identity. This could be VERY nasty.
                    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                    • Originally posted by The Vagabond


                      The tents that are used on the Independence Square are very sophisticated and expensive.

                      Good one vagabond.
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • Those sophisticated and expensive tents can be purchased by Soros without the involvement of any government. However, I wouldn't be surprised to find out the US is helping the opposition with training and infrastructure like cell phones, as we did in Serbia.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • Oh SNAP! Looking at that pic.. man nothing can do that to you except chemicals.. that's poisoning right there.. how much time between these photos? Also what is this whole poisoning thing, we assume it's FSB, but why would they poison this cat?
                          In da butt.
                          "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                          THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
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                          • This guy's great.

                            People Power!!!

                            Damn, that looks cold. :shiver:
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                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • What is being implemented by the West is the classical algorithm of demonization, the target of which is now the Ukrainian election and the current Ukrainian government. Various western organisations and governments and the media cry in unison how undemocratic and dirty the election was, blah, blah. The public readily believes all this, and the circle of demonization is closed. Even the Ukrainians who voted for Yanukovich must now really be afraid that their country might become an international outcast, a rogue state. Perhaps, many of them would now agree to vote for Yushchenko if only to avoid such a sad prospect. For this reason, I strongly suspect that if a repeated election were held, Yushchenko would win. This is the glorious western democracy in action in application to third countries. Congratulations.
                              Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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                              • Originally posted by The Vagabond
                                What is being implemented by the West is the classical algorithm of demonization, the target of which is now the Ukrainian election and the current Ukrainian government. Various western organisations and governments and the media cry in unison how undemocratic and dirty the election was, blah, blah. The public readily believes all this, and the circle of demonization is closed. Even the Ukrainians who voted for Yanukovich must now really be afraid that their country might become an international outcast, a rogue state.
                                Who visited Ukraine during the election? Who endorsed a candidate? Its pretty obvious WHO has been pressuring Ukraine - and WHO is so angry that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have taken to the streets in defiance of that pressure.

                                But the vast conspiracy that includes everyone from Foxnews to the Guardian marches on. Right.
                                "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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