The OFFICIAL United States Presidential Election Thread! III

[GhengisFarb™]

Ned, they never going to understand. Haven't you given up on them yet?

[Ned]

Originally posted by dejon


The Dems do definitely need someone with much more charisma than Kerry.

Kerry was very "presidential." Very.

The Dems did not lose because they lost the "personality" contest.

[Hot Mustard]

Originally posted by MalevolentLight

Religion and morals are not interchangable. Islam is a good example of that. I am a firm believer in morals and the traditional values of our country, and while they may have been influenced by Christianity, they are by no means going to disappear if secularism takes greater hold. I for one have no problem with Bush's faith whatsoever and I in fact feel more confident in our security knowing someone with strong morals is in offirce.

Interchangable, no. But here's the rub - while a strongly moral person may not necessarily be religious, a religious person will almost always have traditional morals. (Yes, there are always exceptions.)

Faiths often mean people are slow to change their views and values to reflect the dynamic societies we have today.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Defiant


Correction, he is a Dixiecrat, or in English, actually a Republican.

Believe it or not the full political spectum is represented in both parties.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It still hasn't sunk in that only appealing to the Liberal vote is a bad strategy. They seriously think the moderates and conservatives are a minority they have out numbered.

Actually independants voted more for Kerry. The Republicans won by only appealing to conservatives, who came out much more in force than liberal did for the Democrats.

[Ned]

Originally posted by lightblue
I am always quite surprised by the way the country splits. The red states stay red, the blue states stay blue with only 7-8 states switching sides.

Would i be correct in assuming that a lot of the blue states (New England, California, New York) pay more money into the federal kitty than they get out of it? And that a significant number of the red states take more out than they put in?

Maybe they should start thinking about secession...

Always? Look at the map of the '76 election. The South and Ohio went to the Dems.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The number of applications to the Socialist Party has jumped in the last 24 hours. As I said before, this election was a win-win situation for us. Either we get rid of Bush or Bush makes a lot more socialists.

Better move to the North, Che. Bob Bectel, Democrat leader, has called for the South to secede.

[Hot Mustard]

Originally posted by Ned

Kerry was very "presidential." Very.

The Dems did not lose because they lost the "personality" contest.

From the outsider's perspective, I have to respectfully disagree.

Kerry did not exude charm and win votes with prose.

He Bush-bashed the whole way without saying much about what he would do differently.

Kerry may have won the "smarts" contest (not real hard there), but not the "personality" contest.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Actually independants voted more for Kerry. The Republicans won by only appealing to conservatives, who came out much more in force than liberal did for the Democrats.

Yes... the conservatives did come out in force... but if "only" conservatives voted for Bush, he wouldn't have won. He got enough independants to win the election, because the conservatives by themselves aren't enough to win a national election.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ned


Get rid of the Southern, moderate Democrats? (Clintonians)

I said this earlier, Sava. It tells you a lot about the issues if the people vote for a moron over an obviously talented challenger.

I agree. Sava, you are way off base the Dems need to put the Clintonians (southern centerists) in charge and ditch the current party leadership which are almost all old fashioned 60's liberals. Centerism will win while liberalism is a sure fire loser.

[Frozzy]

From an outsider's point of view, how can average working class American who has received nothing from this administration, and have net job losses be so worried about moral values when the two candidates are basically the same on the gay marriage issue?

[Hot Mustard]

Originally posted by Oerdin

I agree. Sava, you are way off base the Dems need to put the Clintonians (southern centerists) in charge and ditch the current party leadership which are almost all old fashioned 60's liberals. Centerism will win while liberalism is a sure fire loser.

That's the recipe in Canada.

[DanS]

From an outsider's point of view, how can average working class American who has received nothing from this administration, and have net job losses be so worried about moral values when the two candidates are basically the same on the gay marriage issue?

I don't think they viewed Kerry as sincere on the issue. His state was the only state to legalize it, after all. Plus the broader values theme of abortion and fetal stem cell research. Kerry spent considerable time early on in West Virginia, for instance. But he eventually threw his hands up at the coal miners and steel workers who wanted to talk values.

[Hot Mustard]

Originally posted by Kalius
From an outsider's point of view, how can average working class American who has received nothing from this administration, and have net job losses be so worried about moral values when the two candidates are basically the same on the gay marriage issue?

Because one of the candidates tells them they aren't the same on the issue - you know - the one they also believe about WMD.

[Asher]

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It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine
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It's the end of the world as we know it (it's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (it's time I had some
time alone)
I feel fine
(repeat chorus)
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(repeat chorus)
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (it's time I had some
time alone)
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