The OFFICIAL United States Presidential Election Thread! III

[Q Classic]

I agree. Sava, you are way off base the Dems need to put the Clintonians (southern centerists) in charge and ditch the current party leadership which are almost all old fashioned 60's liberals. Centerism will win while liberalism is a sure fire loser.

MODERATES. Moderates will win while liberalism is a sure fire loser.

I'm not going to let the conservative and rightist language machine turn the term "Moderate" into a curse like they did "Liberal".

[GhengisFarb™]

MODERATES. Moderates will win while liberalism is a sure fire loser.

I'm not going to let the conservative and rightist language machine turn the term "Moderate" into a curse like they did "Liberal".

I don't think they can, you have to take into account the root word the terms were derived from.

Conservative is derived from "common sense."

Moderate is derived from "middle."

Liberal is derived from "lobotomy."

[Ned]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Ned, they never going to understand. Haven't you given up on them yet?

Ghenghis, so long as they continue to believe that nominating a charming, intelligent, smooth and very tall man matters more than the fact that he was a liberal. The long knives will now come out. Kerry will be carved up be fed to the lions.

Watch.

[Ned]

Originally posted by dejon


From the outsider's perspective, I have to respectfully disagree.

Kerry did not exude charm and win votes with prose.

He Bush-bashed the whole way without saying much about what he would do differently.

Kerry may have won the "smarts" contest (not real hard there), but not the "personality" contest.

The long knives are out, just like I predicted.

[GhengisFarb™]

Don't forget the hair, he had a heck of a lot of hair going in. That's it. He shouldn't have cut his hair. OMG, they lost cause of the hair!

[Q Classic]

I don't think they can, you have to take into account the root word the terms were derived from.

Conservative is derived from "common sense."

Moderate is derived from "middle."

Liberal is derived from "lobotomy."

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kalius
From an outsider's point of view, how can average working class American who has received nothing from this administration, and have net job losses be so worried about moral values when the two candidates are basically the same on the gay marriage issue?

Kalius, basically the same?

No one believes THAT for a second.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ned
Let me understand, Oerdin. Radical leftwinger activists the Democrats have traditionally nominated do NOT count as partisan nominations?

Daschle and his Senate co-conspirators have hamstrung judicial appointments for four years. Who is partisan? Who?

My God, not even the people of Wyoming could be mislead by the leftist propaganda anymore and threw that partisan hack out of office.

I didn't see Clinton nominate to many extremists; nearly all of his nominations were centrists where as nearly all of Bush's have been partisan extremists. Regarding Daschle, Daschle is from South Dakota not Wyoming and I've never liked him because he's not a Clintonian centrist. The old guard 1960's liberal like Daschle need to go so the centrists can take over the party.

Lastly, about filibusters. The Republican minority in Congress during the 1960's, 1970's, and 1980's spent most of their time filibustering just about every Democratic bill which came along. So now you are claiming it was ok for Republicans to filibuster but it isn't ok for Democrats to filibuster? The truth is that other then rolling over to the majority filibustering is just about the only thing the minority can do. If the majority doesn't want to negotiate and keeps sending up partisan bills or nominations then the only thing the minority party can do is filibuster until the majority party strikes a more bipartisan position.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ned


Jimmy, that tells you a lot about the issues, does it not? The Dems are way out there on social issues compared to the bulk of the American electorate.

Other then gay unions what was Kerry so far out in left field on? I'm just not seeing your claim that he's way out of sink.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Ready for an application?

To the CPA or the Democrats?

[dojoboy]

Originally posted by Kalius
From an outsider's point of view, how can average working class American who has received nothing from this administration, and have net job losses be so worried about moral values when the two candidates are basically the same on the gay marriage issue?

Jobs losses? Yes. Unemployment rate at 5.9%, same as when Clinton was re-elected. I guess those folks who lost jobs found employment. I'm an average working American and have received $1,400 dollars in tax refunds from this President and a lower tax bracket (tax breaks didn't go strictly to the upperclass).

I've got more discretionary funds to allocate toward my family (wife and 2 kids).

So, ....

[Dinner]

Originally posted by SpencerH
The people of 11 states (including Washington state) voted overwhelmingly last night to define marriage as only that between a man and woman. So long as a certain group of people continue to see these types of issues as only important to 'poor white trash' the dems will not win.

I disagree. These issues most certainly are decided by the poor white trash & Joe 6-pack section of our population. The best thing the dems can do is avoid those issues and instead concentrate on issues which Joe 6-pack won't be frightened by when he hears the sound bite.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kalius
From an outsider's point of view, how can average working class American who has received nothing from this administration, and have net job losses be so worried about moral values when the two candidates are basically the same on the gay marriage issue?

1. No working class American experiences "net job losses" Hes either employed or he isnt. If hes employed, and doing well, and feels reasonably secure the absence of jobs in other trades or other regions is not particularly significant.

[Ned]

Oerdin, once upon a time "filibuster" actually held up Senate business and required the filibuster to be present on the Senate floor for a long as they could physically hold out. I don't recall when the custom arose to allow defacto filibusters by consent. But I also do not recall Republicans filibustering against virtually every Catholic judicial appointee as the Democrats are doing now.

When I was a kid in Catholic school, I was one of a handful of Republican kids. I remember the '60 election. Out of 800 kids voting in our mock election, Kennedy got like 796.

Today, I am willing to bet that Catholics are voting Republican. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the personality of the president.

[DanS]

I disagree. These issues most certainly are decided by the poor white trash & Joe 6-pack section of our population. The best thing the dems can do is avoid those issues and instead concentrate on issues which Joe 6-pack won't be frightened by when he hears the sound bite.

This is out of touch and condescending. The Joe 6-packs of the world have no soundbite-induced illusions of the Democratic Party values agenda. They seem pretty well informed on values issues to me.