Chavez is da man

[JCG]

Voting against Chavez is not necessarily equal to subverting democracy, considering that Venezuela's Bolivarian constitution allows for such a referendum.

It may be argued that the top leadership of the opposition camp might want to subvert democracy.

But it is unfair and unrealistic to attribute that same objective to the full 42% of voters (who statistically can't be all "oil and media barons", can they?) who expressed any degree of dissent regarding the current government of Venezuela.

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by DanS
I don't have any compunction about projecting my views on this situation.

Oh wow, so you've read an article in the economist. That hardly makes you an expert but considering the overall post quality in regard to the issue of the thread, that might very well put you in the top 3 %.

As far as I know, the fundamental problems in the economic structure of Venezuela hasn't been seriously dealt with by any of it's administrations in recent history. In fact, the GDP development has been going pretty much downward the last couple of decades. Chavez is hardly part of the solution* - his policies is obviously not promoting investements - but the problem is older than his time in power. I'm not convinced that the opposition is able to everything so much better. Granted, Chavez exit would obviously lead to a short time boom with perhaps long time benefits, but the 'people' seems to have made their choice.

* I'd go on your line here and define political goals as equal to GDP growth

[JCG]

DP.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Well Bush has the benefit of not tanking the economy to the extent Chavez has.

Yeah, it didn't go that far down- but of course Chavez had the help of his opponents, while Bush did it all himself....

[Agathon]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Whatever Fez.

Your side lost and its lies were exposed and continue to be exposed (by Jimmy Carter of all people).

You were wrong. Just like about the war. Deal with it.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Agathon




Your side lost and its lies were exposed and continue to be exposed (by Jimmy Carter of all people).

You were wrong. Just like about the war. Deal with it.

He is right. You are Fez

[Sava]

Originally posted by Agathon




Your side lost and its lies were exposed and continue to be exposed (by Jimmy Carter of all people).

You were wrong. Just like about the war. Deal with it.

As DD has shown, righties don't accept their utter "wrongness"... they just call you names when they can't do anything else.

NYAAAAA YOU ARE FEXZZ THAT MEANS I R TEH RIGHT!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by JCG
But it is unfair and unrealistic to attribute that same objective to the full 42% of voters (who statistically can't be all "oil and media barons", can they?) who expressed any degree of dissent regarding the current government of Venezuela.

Yes, but how much of that 42% is rational? The media in Venezuela is all against Chavez, and spreading rather nasty lies about him. I suspect a large part of the public that voted against him did so because they'd been blitzed with anti-Chavez propaganda for the last few years about how he's destroying the country. Kinda like Clinton haters who were convinced that he was going to overthrow the government and hand the U.S. over to the U.N.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Agathon




Your side lost and its lies were exposed and continue to be exposed (by Jimmy Carter of all people).

You were wrong. Just like about the war. Deal with it.

Sure, Chavez could convince a bunch of peasants to vote for him - a few slogans and breakfast will buy a lot of votes in Latinamerica.

Reality is that Chavez is a thug who is amassing power to himself and his cronies, and plundering the economy in the process, when he isn't ****ing it over with the usual communist idiocy that has failed repeatedly. Just another set of pigs at the trough, but that's fine with the commies, because that's their goal in any case.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Sava
As DD has shown, righties don't accept their utter "wrongness"... they just call you names when they can't do anything else.

I insult people when thier posts deserve it. I rarely insult che or Ramo for example.

[Drake Tungsten]

Yep, the common white male with a six figure income.

Sorry MtG, but the salt of the earth votes Republican...

Hey, the republican party covers rednecks, and they most definitelly are common men!

See, even GePap knows the truth.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Yep, the common white male with a six figure income.

Sorry MtG, but the salt of the earth votes Republican...

Yup. Just goes to show how trully dumb they are- damned peons. The urbane, civilized, cosmopolitan individuals vote democratic.

[Az]

Snob.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Azazel
Snob.

Thank you. We gave those damned peons their tractors. Yet they aren;t even grateful enough to do our bidding

We need to show those peons again who is the boss.

[DinoDoc]

I'm somewhat shocked to see how well he did in CA.