Iraqi Transfer of Power

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by GePap


provide a shred of evidence for this fezbot.

Sure thing, GeBot.

http://articles.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1373/is_10_50/ai_66157021

"Despite its failure, however, the Werewolf project had a huge impact, widening the psychological and spiritual gap between Germans and their occupiers. Werewolf killings and intimidation of `collaborators' scared almost everybody, giving German civilians a clear glimpse into the nihilistic heart of Nazism. It was difficult for people working under threat of such violence to devote themselves unreservedly to the initial tasks of reconstruction. Worse still, the Allies and Soviets reacted to the movement with extremely tough controls, curtailing the right of assembly of German civilians. Challenges of any sort were met by collective reprisals -- especially on the part of the Soviets and the French. In a few cases the occupiers even shot hostages and cleared out towns where instances of sabotage occurred. It was standard practice for the Soviets to destroy whole communities if they faced a single act of resistance. In the eastern fringes of the `Greater Reich', now annexed by the Poles and the Czechoslovaks, Werewolf harassment handed the new authorities an excuse to rush the deportations of millions of ethnic Germans to occupied Germany."

[The Mad Monk]

The Werewolves specialised in ambushes and sniping, and took the lives of many Allied and Soviet soldiers and officers -- perhaps even that of the first Soviet commandant of Berlin, General N.E. Berzarin, who was rumoured to have been waylaid in Charlottenburg during an incident in June 1945. Buildings housing Allied and Soviet staffs were favourite targets for Werewolf bombings; an explosion in the Bremen police headquarters, also in June 1945, killed five Americans and thirty-nine Germans. Techniques for harassing the occupiers were given widespread publicity through Werewolf leaflets and radio propaganda, and long after May 1945 the sabotage methods promoted by the Werewolves were still being used against the occupying powers.

Although the Werewolves originally limited themselves to guerrilla warfare with the invading armies, they soon began to undertake scorched-earth measures and vigilante actions against German `collaborators' or `defeatists'. They damaged Germany's economic infrastructure, already battered by Allied bombing and ground fighting, and tried to prevent anything of value from falling into enemy hands. Attempts to blow up factories, power plants or waterworks occasionally provoked melees between Werewolves and desperate German workers trying to save the physical basis of their employment, particularly in the Ruhr and Upper Silesia.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Sava
I could list each member of the Governing Council and post facts about their past... but facts are usually lost on you. Take Allawi for instance... he's a former CIA asset. Take Chalabi... I think we all know how Chalabi manipulated the dopey chickenhawks into believe the US would be welcomed with open arms.

Your head slams harder against the wall. Post evidence for this. Chalabi isn't part of the government and is in some rather serious trouble right now. You are nothing but a left wing conspiracy theorist looking for some non-existent B.S. Not unexpected.

Just pay attention to the news in Iraq Fezzikins. And I will forgive you for your errors after you see how the violence is getting worse. I guess last week's attacks were just all leftist lies eh? Like Wolfowitz said, all the reporters are just hiding in Baghdad making up rumors, eh?

I'm sorry but you have no concept of what is going on in Iraq. You are nothing but a dolt who wants this to fail and you should go kick yourself out of this thread. You don't watch the news, rather I do. The violence is going to be there for a while longer but those who spawn it will be killed.

[The Mad Monk]

Goebbels especially grasped the possibility that guerrilla war could be a political process as well as a military strategy. It was largely through his influence that the Werwolf assumed something of the aspect of a terrorist organization. Where it could, it tried to prevent individuals and communities from surrendering, and it assassinated civil officials who cooperated with the Allies. Few Germans welcomed these activities, but something else that Goebbels grasped was that terror might serve where popularity was absent. By his estimate, only 10% to 15% of the German population were potential supporters for a truly revolutionary movement. His goal was to use the Werwolf to activate that potential. With the help of the radical elite, the occupiers could be provoked into savage reprisals that would win over the mass of the people to Neo-Nazism, a term that came into use in April 1945.

http://www.command-post.org/oped/2_archives/007763.html

Sound familiar?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Dan Rather has admited that he's a political leftist and that he colors all of his articles with his political ideology. Think of him as a blander version of Moore or Coulter. Does that sound like a reliable source of news to you?

Every single news source is biased one way or another.

I am sure you know that.

[Evil Knevil]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Anarchy can't exist. Not while US/coalition forces are there

So.... Falluja?

So kiss my behind,

No thanks, I don't like hair.

and which flag is that in your avatar? Ah yes, Angola.. go move there.

Only when you move to Spain darling

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Evil Knevil


So.... Falluja?

The fighting between Al-Sadr and the US/Coalition has mostly ceased.

No thanks, I don't like hair.

Don't have any there.

[Urban Ranger]

Fez,

Watch out for those personal attacks, 'k?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Fez,

Watch out for those personal attacks, 'k?

I get mad when people want us or the new government to fail in Iraq. I sometimes find it difficult in controlling my temper when people talk about it. I will try my best... but Sava really has a way of making me angry.

[Sava]

Fezcarlo: some facts about Allawi:

Why do Iraqis have such a poor opinion of Allawi? Sadoun al-Dulame, executive director of the ICRSS, pointed to one reason: "Every newspaper that has reported about his appointment has mentioned his CIA connection." Although Allawi has sniped at the U.S.-led Coalition in recent months, it's his ties to Langley that seem to have registered with Iraqis. (His organization, the Iraqi National Accord, is funded by the CIA.) "He's a CIA man, like [Ahmed] Chalabi," said Raed Abu Hassan, a Baghdad University political science post-grad. "In this country, CIA connections are political poison." It doesn't help that the Shiite Allawi is also a former Baathist, and a returning exile. Many Iraqis are scornful of politicians who left the country during the Saddam era.

from http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...0.html?cnn=yes

oh wait Time Magazine is just leftist lies right? They are a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory organization that hates Bush.

I can educate you further if you want. Just let me know.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


I get mad when people want us or the new government to fail in Iraq. I sometimes find it difficult in controlling my temper when people talk about it. I will try my best... but Sava really has a way of making me angry.

I didn't say I wanted it to fail. I said it probably would fail because Bush is a dope and is setting it up for failure.

[Giancarlo]

Most reports I have seen shown he has a popular backing, dude. Time? Hah. That's like reading Michael Moore's website. Being brainwashed isn't being educated.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Sava
I didn't say I wanted it to fail. I said it probably would fail because Bush is a dope and is setting it up for failure.

No he is not, and you obviously are wrong on that one.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Most reports I have seen shown he has a popular backing, dude. Time? Hah. That's like reading Michael Moore's website. Being brainwashed isn't being educated.

I get a kick out of you.

[GePap]

to the article and the sad attempt at making a link.

for one, here is the US Army's history of its occupation of Germany: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...x.htm#contents

You can read there about what authorities saw as the threat.

The of course there is the problem of scales- you see, we have 140,000 men in Iraq, in some cases losing temporary control of towns, having to secure long streches of highway.

IN Germany, which was in vastly worse conditions, and in which the occupation forces were in the millions of men total at the start and probalby about half a million in the whole country throughout, if the biggest attack you guys can mention is one that killed 47 people in the multiple years of occupation, well, woop-tee do!

That is the sad fact folks-the occupation of Germany was a project in a scale that makes this one look piddling, yet that occupation went of with much greater peace and far less violence than this one.

Which makes this line of arguement even more pathetic, cause it only shows how stupid an incompetent this admin. is if they could do so much worse than we did dealing with far greater difficulties in Germany.