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  • #76
    Originally posted by Sava


    I get a kick out of you.
    *wham*

    I hope that kick was hard enough..
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #77
      It was quite funny how this news got leaked.

      The Iraqi Foreign Minister and Tony Blair were giving a press conference. The IFM casually let out the info that the hand over was taking place in 2 hours.

      Blair's blathering reaction, not quite saying no but refusing to confirm - has to be seen to be believed.

      This hand over isn't going to change the situation in Iraq soon - but it is one important step on the road to getting our collective butts out of there.
      Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
      "The CIA does nothing, says nothing, allows nothing, unless its own interests are served. They are the biggest assembly of liars and theives this country ever put under one roof and they are an abomination" Deputy COS (Intel) US Army 1981-84

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Giancarlo


        The fighting between Al-Sadr and the US/Coalition has mostly ceased.
        hmmm, my previous response seems to have disappeared.


        Like hell the fightings stopped. You just don't hear about it anymore. The city is still under Al-Sadr's control.... remind anyone of anarchic Afghanistan?

        The Fascist occupying army destroyed the only effective state in Iraq, and have built nothing in return.

        We'll leave the comments about your ass for another day.
        Res ipsa loquitur

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        • #79
          Why can't the Left ever be happy about anything?
          'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
          G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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          • #80
            Further commentary on that article-the interesting thing, if you read it well, is that the author is making the claim in her book that the "resistance" was such in Germany during the occupation that there was a forestalling of radical social change cause the "werewolves" scare the population and killed the reformers off.

            So this is writen in context of trying to prove a theory-ie, if one accept the claim that both post-war german governments were just the old one in a new cloth without the more obvious trappings of National Socialism, that the reason for this was "the resistance"- as opposed, to say, conservatism in the populace, resistance from the reinstated bureaucracy, no intention by the occupiers to enforce radical change at a time they were drifting apart and so forth.

            Clearly then an article without a point to make-just a recitation of facts....
            If you don't like reality, change it! me
            "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
            "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
            "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Giancarlo
              Most reports I have seen shown he has a popular backing, dude. Time? Hah. That's like reading Michael Moore's website. Being brainwashed isn't being educated.
              Do you have any evidence to support your claims? It's the general consensus that Allawi is unpopular and a former CIA man. If you have evidence to the contrary... post it.

              Despite your laughable assessment of Time, they are a very reputable source. I think a lot of people would trust the accuracy and credibility of Time magazine.
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Evil Knevil
                The Fascist occupying army destroyed the only effective state in Iraq, and have built nothing in return.
                You have so little crediblity. You sound like an Al Qaeda terrorist.

                We'll leave the comments about your ass for another day.
                Leave my cute.. off limits.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by The diplomat
                  Why can't the Left ever be happy about anything?
                  Oh, we are happy to show the incompetence of this administration in Iraq to everyone who looks.
                  If you don't like reality, change it! me
                  "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                  "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                  "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Sava
                    Do you have any evidence to support your claims? It's the general consensus that Allawi is unpopular and a former CIA man. If you have evidence to the contrary... post it.
                    He's pretty popular from what I have heard.

                    Despite your laughable assessment of Time, they are a very reputable source. I think a lot of people would trust the accuracy and credibility of Time magazine.
                    No it isn't... what are you on? Time was hijacked by the left wing years ago. There was even a book out about it.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by GePap


                      Oh, we are happy to show the incompetence of this administration in Iraq to everyone who looks.
                      How about the reality.. the incompetence of your own eyes and ears?
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by The diplomat
                        Why can't the Left ever be happy about anything?
                        Because the right, ie those who are in charge, can't see anything wrong with them being in charge.

                        It's a love/hate thing. Smug bastards who can't smell the coffee don't have many friends.
                        Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
                        "The CIA does nothing, says nothing, allows nothing, unless its own interests are served. They are the biggest assembly of liars and theives this country ever put under one roof and they are an abomination" Deputy COS (Intel) US Army 1981-84

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Giancarlo

                          No it isn't... what are you on? Time was hijacked by the left wing years ago. There was even a book out about it.
                          Oh, yes, a BOOK. If its in a book, it must be true! I have this book, by this fellow called Marx....

                          Oh, I forgot, you read this book by this guy Hitler, and since it's in a BOOK (oh, my, a BOOK!) it must be true!

                          If you don't like reality, change it! me
                          "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                          "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                          "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by The diplomat
                            Why can't the Left ever be happy about anything?
                            Because I have high (and probably silly) expectations for the War in Iraq. I want to see a government, supported by the Iraqi people as legitimate, in place. I want to see peace. Bush said Saddam was bad. Well all I want is something in Iraq that is better than what is was like under Saddam. The only way the Iraq War is worth it is if we replace Saddam with something better. And so far, an unpopular, unelected, US appointed group of primarily Iraqi exiles isn't making me happy.

                            Unlike the right... I give a **** about Iraqi's. I want their lives to be better. And so far, with worsening and more deadly attacks; virtual anarchy, and a nightmarish security scenario (a true American failure to not secure Iraq)... Iraq is not better off (as of yet) than under Saddam. And not only is the current situation bad, but we've spent over $150 billion and nearly a thousand US military lives without much in the way of a return on that investment.
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Giancarlo


                              You have so little crediblity. You sound like an Al Qaeda terrorist.
                              Oh so that's your brilliant and perceptive response. Jump up and down like a 5 year old saying "terrorist, terrorist, EK's a terrorist!!"

                              I snort with derision


                              Leave my cute.. off limits.
                              Why not? It's not as if anybody else is ever going to gaze apon it
                              Res ipsa loquitur

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by GePap


                                Oh, yes, a BOOK. If its in a book, it must be true! I have this book, by this fellow called Marx....

                                Oh, I forgot, you read this book by this guy Hitler, and since it's in a BOOK (oh, my, a BOOK!) it must be true!

                                And if it is in Time Magazine, it must be true also? Gotcha.. you just dug a hole in the ground too deep. And I'm not throwing a ladder.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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