poetry

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Asher
A. Also, anyone can be a literary critic. You don't need to take some exam to qualify as one.

B. Anyone can also write poetry, which is why most of it is utter crap.

C. How do you define good and bad in an area such as poetry where there are no rules? Where there is no right and wrong? Where there is no good and bad...

D. downright insulting, obnoxious, and childish.

A.

In your case even a passing familiarity with the works in question might help- perhaps you could consider that a 'qualification' or an 'exam'.

B.

Anyone 'could' write poetry. Anyone 'could' paint. Anyone 'could' sculpt. Not everybody does, and this is not a valid reason for dismissing 'most' poetry- because you don't have even the slightest acquaintance with 'most' poetry.

C.

Oh dear, imagine not having a set of rules to define what's good or bad. How awful for you. Still, doesn't seme to stop you dismissing 'most' poetry as 'bad', does it? If anyone's arrogant it's you, silly little boy.
Ther are 'rules' in literature by the way, and in criticism. That you don't know them is no great shock.

D.

Now your powers of precis and self-examination have truly kicked in. Perhaps instead of doing the literary or cultural equivalent of a baby's dummy spit, or an infant's tantrum on the carpet, you could spend usefully spend some time acquainting yourself with some of that poetry you display such a profound ignorance of.

http://academics.vmi.edu/gen_ed/Two_Cultures.html

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
no, skanky... poetry is a form of expression... the poet expresses an idea or ideas with a poem

Expression implies interpretation.

[Dis]

I do like song lyrics. and I like songs based off of poems. Like Iron Maiden's Rime of the Ancient Mariner .

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Asher
Most poetry is utter ****.

Most poets are utter ****.

Most people who like most poetry are utter ****.

If 'poetry' were replaced by 'philosophy', this would be pretty much deja vu. Well, it's actually deja vu anyways.

[bipolarbear]

My Englsih teacher says that I have the heart and mind of a poet.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by MrsTabz
Hi I am new here and saw this thread I have a poem I dont know if you have heard it but it's a bit rude so I hope I dont get banned for it

I'm a little girl
I have a little thing
When I go to bed I put my finger in
Now I'm much older my thing has lost it's charm
And now it takes 5 fingers
And half my f***n arm!

OMFFG a Skanky DL!

[Jamski]

My Englsih teacher says that I have the heart and mind of a poet.

You should give them back before they're missed.

Seriously.

Graverobbing is a major felony.

-Jam

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Jamski
Graverobbing is a major felony.

Says he who in his RPG does graverobbing on a daily basis.

[Skanky Burns]

"What do the dead need with their trinkets, anyway?"
- Garrett, Thief

[Asher]

Originally posted by Adalbertus
Asher, the things you list as values, technology, wealth, hockey and so on, rate as being civilised, not as being cultured. Both exist and are necessary for human society, you can't simply put away one of them.

Nonsense, it's just as much culture as going to the Opera. It's not snobby, elitist culture, but I didn't know that was a prerequisite for culture.

Can you explain to me how hockey is less of a cultural component than Opera?

[Asher]

Originally posted by molly bloom
A.

In your case even a passing familiarity with the works in question might help- perhaps you could consider that a 'qualification' or an 'exam'.

The comment was generalized to everything I have been exposed to, it was not specific to any "works" so it does not require "passing familiarity" with them.

Anyone 'could' write poetry. Anyone 'could' paint. Anyone 'could' sculpt. Not everybody does, and this is not a valid reason for dismissing 'most' poetry- because you don't have even the slightest acquaintance with 'most' poetry.

No one ever does, so this is a rather obtuse argument. It obviously only applies to that which I've been exposed to, and I don't see how it's any different from what I haven't.

Feel free to suggest specifics and I can comment on them individually if you'd like, but something tells me that wouldn't help prove your point.

Oh dear, imagine not having a set of rules to define what's good or bad. How awful for you. Still, doesn't seme to stop you dismissing 'most' poetry as 'bad', does it? If anyone's arrogant it's you, silly little boy.

I've said it was all relative and subjective, point blank. So where's the arrogance? The arrogance comes from you, with the holier-than-thou attitude.

Ther are 'rules' in literature by the way, and in criticism. That you don't know them is no great shock.

What are the rules in poetry?

Now your powers of precis and self-examination have truly kicked in. Perhaps instead of doing the literary or cultural equivalent of a baby's dummy spit, or an infant's tantrum on the carpet, you could spend usefully spend some time acquainting yourself with some of that poetry you display such a profound ignorance of.

http://academics.vmi.edu/gen_ed/Two_Cultures.html

Erm. If that site's poetry, I stand by my point that it's utterly crap poetry.

[monolith94]

"You're happy reading about Sir Wayne McNobby writing poems describing ejaculating in tin cans, while I'm happy reading about tonight's hockey game."

That's not culture - that's news.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by monolith94
"You're happy reading about Sir Wayne McNobby writing poems describing ejaculating in tin cans, while I'm happy reading about tonight's hockey game."

That's not culture - that's news.

No, it's yet more of the pointless mental masturbation and self-congratulation that passes for literary and cultural criticism from Asher.

He must be proud to have a forum where a science geek like him can throw tantrums at all those people who understood the literature that was beyond him.

Using what passes for his logic, if 'most' poetry is crap because anyone can write it, and as he states, anyone can be a critic, than Asher's criticism of poetry is perforce, crap.

'not snobby, elitist culture, '

Asher Baudelaire McLuhan

So far the only person setting up their view of what constitutes culture to be superior to other people's, is Asher. No shock there.

[Ben Kenobi]

I like poetry, but I can't stand the modern stuff.

I like a poem with rhythm, with structure, where you can't use a word in a different spot or a different word in the same spot, or use a better word to express the identical idea.

Most poetry is about the imagery, it should be clear what you are trying to get across.

My favourity would probably be Tennyson, for some obvious reasons.

[monolith94]

"I think, what we have here... is failure to communicate."