poetry

[Asher]

Originally posted by molly bloom
Given the likes of Asher's 'scholarly' dismissal of some of the major works of world literature, I'm inclined to agree with you.

I'm of the opinion that most people called Asher who given opinions about art or literature couldn't tell a Pisan Canto from a deep dish pizza.

'Most poetry is utter ****.

Most poets are utter ****.

Most people who like most poetry are utter ****.'

Asher Bonnaduce Capote Taylor Coleridge, literary critic and cultural eminence grise, giving us the benefit of his inexperience.

The irony here is you have dissed my awesome poetry because you don't understand it.



That's exactly my point about poetry -- it means whatever the author wants it to.

And all I said is most poetry is crap, if that includes "some of the major works", then "major works" accounts for a sizable portion of "most poetry".

See, I may not be a poetry expert, but at least I have logic and reasoning ability, which is infinitly more valuable.

Most of the modern "cultured" people are pompous *****. I'm cultured, just in a different way than you are. I may not be able to recite the precise weight of any tenor in the past 500 years, but I am more connected to the modern culture than you ever will be.

Your culture of old has been replaced with electronic culture, you can accept that now or you can keep denying it.

Culture is in the eye of the beholder. What I'm cultured in will lead to sizable wealth and happiness, what you're cultured in leads to snobiness and arrogant queens.

[Asher]

Originally posted by monolith94
Quite honestly, the vast majority of people who hate poems do so because they can't understand them, usually as the result of having either no patience or no critical faculty.

Or, perhaps they see poetry for what it is -- an infantile waste of time void of structure, and the meaning is so cryptic that the true intention and true meaning of poems are left to guesswork and thesis writing of overly-paid British scholars at artsy universities who serve no purpose but to tell others what they think an irrelevant work from 400 years ago really means.

Cultured my ass, they're candidates for unemployment and street-life. No wonder so many of them are heavily left-wing, they depend on the real success of others to have a parasitic relationship with society, under the guise of contributing to society's "culture".

I'll tell you one thing -- what people like Bill Gates have done has had far more impact on today's culture than any contemporary poet. In fact, I don't think any contemporary poet has any relevance to today's culture, whatsoever.

[mrmitchell]

Dirty limericks
Rhyming poems
Arteests

[OzzyKP]

Here I sit on a cloud of vapor
Someone stole the toilet paper
Should I wait?
Should I linger?
Nevermind, I'll use my finger


I wrote that on a few bathroom stalls in my day.

[MrsTabz]

Hi I am new here and saw this thread I have a poem I dont know if you have heard it but it's a bit rude so I hope I dont get banned for it

I'm a little girl
I have a little thing
When I go to bed I put my finger in
Now I'm much older my thing has lost it's charm
And now it takes 5 fingers
And half my f***n arm!

[Frankychan]

Like almost everything, it's 50/50.

Some poetry is good, some is bad.

What I don't like is when some people try to tell you that a poem is only supposed to be interpreted as one thing....basically, from that person's interpretation.

I thought poems are supposed to be interpreted differently from person to person.

I don't get most poetry, but I know what I like. Just because I don't understand it doesn't mean I don't like it.

[Ted Striker]

I only dig rap lyrics

And though I can't stand him, you got to admit that Shakespeare was the original GANGSTA BEYOTCH!!!!!!!!!

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Asher

The irony here is you have dissed my awesome poetry because you don't understand it.



That's exactly my point about poetry -- it means whatever the author wants it to.

And all I said is most poetry is crap, if that includes "some of the major works", then "major works" accounts for a sizable portion of "most poetry".

See, I may not be a poetry expert, but at least I have logic and reasoning ability, which is infinitly more valuable.

Most of the modern "cultured" people are pompous *****. I'm cultured, just in a different way than you are. I may not be able to recite the precise weight of any tenor in the past 500 years, but I am more connected to the modern culture than you ever will be.

Your culture of old has been replaced with electronic culture, you can accept that now or you can keep denying it.

Culture is in the eye of the beholder. What I'm cultured in will lead to sizable wealth and happiness, what you're cultured in leads to snobiness and arrogant queens.

You sad pathetic ignoramus. The irony is in such a semi-literate klutz posing as a literary critic.

Let's pick oh, four works of European literature that some of the 'Poly posters that don't brag about their ignorance, might be familiar with:

the Iliad, the Canterbury Tales, the Aeneid and, oh, Goethe's Faust.

How many of them do you have even a passing familiarity with, hmm?

You remind me of a fairly apposite quote:


"I told him I had been that morning at a meeting of the people called Quakers, where I had heard a woman preach.

Johnson: "Sir, a woman's preaching is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all."

Boswell's Life of Johnson

Thus Asher commenting on literature/culture, more specifically poetry, when he admits to being ignorant of so much of it, is not something done well, but it is surprising for its being uttered at all.

I haven't even read 'most' poetry in English, let alone in Italian, Greek (ancient or modern), Hindi, Sanskrit, Mandarin or Swahili.

Thus, I don't offer my opinion on 'most' poetry.

Perhaps you might find a valuable lesson in that. Unfortunately given your current levels of comprehension and arrogance, I doubt it very much.

[Skanky Burns]

**** off allison.

[Asher]

Damn I'm good. *flex*

FWIW, Molly, it doesn't work well to counter someone's argument about those who pride themselves in being so "cultured" to simply list off a bunch of overrated, ancient works and then laugh that other people don't give a sh*t about them.

You're happy reading about Sir Wayne McNobby writing poems describing ejaculating in tin cans, while I'm happy reading about tonight's hockey game.

Both are cultured, but they are different. The problem is, the arrogant snobs such as yourself only consider one to be real culture.

BTW, I have read and studied the Iliad back in high school. I can safely say it was incredibly boring, and a complete waste of my time that I could have spend doing something productive, like studying how the new XViD codec works.

The Canterbury tales is something we did well before high school. How cultured of you.

[Asher]

Also, anyone can be a literary critic. You don't need to take some exam to qualify as one.

Anyone can also write poetry, which is why most of it is utter crap.

I don't know why you get so defensive about it, do you honestly think most poetry in the world is good? How do you define good and bad in an area such as poetry where there are no rules? Where there is no right and wrong? Where there is no good and bad...

It's all relative and subjective. You may somehow enjoy it, for whatever perverse reasons they may be, but the condescending tw*tish attitude by the so-called "cultured' people is downright insulting, obnoxious, and childish.

That's why I've been trolling you. Because you paint yourself with a bullseye when you respond.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Asher
Damn I'm good. *flex*

FWIW, Molly, it doesn't work well to counter someone's argument about those who pride themselves in being so "cultured" to simply list off a bunch of overrated, ancient works and then laugh that other people don't give a sh*t about them.

You're happy reading about Sir Wayne McNobby writing poems describing ejaculating in tin cans, while I'm happy reading about tonight's hockey game.

Both are cultured, but they are different. The problem is, the arrogant snobs such as yourself only consider one to be real culture.

BTW, I have read and studied the Iliad back in high school. I can safely say it was incredibly boring, and a complete waste of my time that I could have spend doing something productive, like studying how the new XViD codec works.

The Canterbury tales is something we did well before high school. How cultured of you.

Tell me, are you proud of demonstrating your ignorance, like a shut-in with some tinny little badge out a cheap Christmas cracker?

I love your summation of the 'Canterbury Tales'- perhaps you could interest someone like Brodie's Notes in your expert precis of it:

'we did it well before high school'.



Imagine- who knew Canadians studied Middle English so early.

Since you don't know what my views on culture are, nor indeed what I think constitutes culture, you're hardly in a position to comment on that either.

The extent of your ignorance grows in leaps and bounds.


Overrated ancient works- gosh, close familiarity with the texts of the Aeneid and Faust really paid off for you there with those searching critiques, didn't it?

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Asher
That's exactly my point about poetry -- it means whatever the author wants it to.

Close, but not entirely accurate. It means whatever the reader/listener wants it to.

[Al B. Sure!]

no, skanky... poetry is a form of expression... the poet expresses an idea or ideas with a poem

[Adalbertus]

Asher, the things you list as values, technology, wealth, hockey and so on, rate as being civilised, not as being cultured. Both exist and are necessary for human society, you can't simply put away one of them.

Somehow, you look like most poets:
They think they are incredibly smart, where they are only incredible.

(Btw. Goethe always looks to me like someone very unmature. And intelligent persons tend to prefer Schiller. )