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**Agathon** · February 21, 2004, 05:50

Originally posted by Giancarlo

F**k you. I am no fascist.

Like **** you aren't.

You are the boot stamping on a human face forever, even if it is this boot.

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**Giancarlo** · February 21, 2004, 05:51

Originally posted by Agathon

Like **** you aren't.

You are the boot stamping on a human face forever, even if it is this boot.

Where are you? On your own planet? Go wake up. If I am fascist, you are Pol Pot.

Wake up and smell the coffee, and get a damn clue.

**Ben Kenobi** · February 21, 2004, 05:51

Ben one last question. Why are you so against gays.

I make a radical distinction between the person, and his sexual proclivities. You are not whom you sleep with. Therefore, I am not against gay people, but rather against the homosexual act.

Did you yourself have any homosexual tendencies and was cured through Christianity?

No, not in the way you are thinking, no. I was not a very nice person before, and I did many things that I no longer do. Sleeping with a man was not one of them.

That's him.

What about you?

Not in that manner, no.

**Agathon** · February 21, 2004, 05:52

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Where are you? On your own planet? Go wake up. If I am fascist, you are Pol Pot.

Wake up and smell the coffee, and get a damn clue.

And if I don't, will I be sent to a concentration camp?

**Giancarlo** · February 21, 2004, 05:53

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

I make a radical distinction between the person, and his seual proclivities. You are not whom you sleep with. Therefore, I am not against gay people, but rather against the homoseual act.

Then you are not heterosexual because who you sleep with does not make you who you are?

I am sorry but that doesn't make sense.

And if you are against homosexual acts, then too damn bad.

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 21, 2004, 05:53

No, just thrown from helicopters, Aggie

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**Giancarlo** · February 21, 2004, 05:54

STFU ABOUT THIS. Agathon grow the hell up and leave me the hell alone. I am trying to question BK on his faulty reasoning. I am not here to have a flame fest with you.

**Agathon** · February 21, 2004, 05:54

*note to Jaguar Warrior. See how easy it is. You just aren't trying.

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 21, 2004, 05:56

But you haven't been called a moron yet, though he did tell you to get a clue. Perhaps that is close enough.

**Ben Kenobi** · February 21, 2004, 05:58

NYE:

These posts are starting to flow together in a rational fashion.

Interesting. Not intended, but sometimes that's how they work.

You'd do well arguing for slavery or apartheid along these lines, at least until your views were in the minority of recognised electors. What then, Ben? Will you accept organised religions being banned when the majority become atheists and are good and tired of religious behaviour that they see as immoral?

Good point. However, I argue that marriage cannot be a fundamental human right because it requires two people to exercise the right.

As for perversion? I think that there are many things people do that count among that number. Sodomy is one of those, a perversion of the purpose of sex.

But again, by that same standard, I too am perverted for some of my earlier actions in my life. So we are all in this together.

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 21, 2004, 06:00

No, you are merely perverted for your love of Mariah

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**Ben Kenobi** · February 21, 2004, 06:03

Then you are not heterosexual because who you sleep with does not make you who you are?

Let's take this from another direction.

You have two ways of defining sexual orientation. One is by the acts that the person commits, another is by the desires.

I am splitting the definition. If I were to sleep with a man, that would no more make me gay, than it would be if you slept with a woman.

However, one of the consequences of this split is that one's proclivities do not control one's actions, in that one can restrain them, or even go to the opposite of one's desires.

In this sense, you are not whom you sleep with, you can control your sexual desires.

**Giancarlo** · February 21, 2004, 06:05

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
You have two ways of defining sexual orientation. One is by the acts that the person commits, another is by the desires.

I'm sorry but I am both.

I am splitting the definition. If I were to sleep with a man, that would no more make me gay, than it would be if you slept with a woman.

I am gay. Period. I slept with guys. That is my decision. But I am naturally homosexual in my thoughts as you are naturally heterosexual.

However, one of the consequences of this split is that one's proclivities do not control one's actions, in that one can restrain them, or even go to the opposite of one's desires.

And what is wrong with having these desires? The bible say it is wrong?

In this sense, you are not whom you sleep with, you can control your sexual desires.

But I am gay. That is who I am. Rather who I am, is who I am attracted to.

**Ben Kenobi** · February 21, 2004, 06:09

Step by step.

Suppose you slept with a woman.

Would you no longer be gay?

But I am naturally homosexual in my thoughts as you are naturally heterosexual.

But by your definition I cannot be heterosexual. I have not slept with anyone else. All I would have to go on is the desire.

**Giancarlo** · February 21, 2004, 06:10

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Step by step.

Suppose you slept with a woman.

Would you no longer be gay?

But by your definition I cannot be heterosexual. I have not slept with anyone else. All I would have to go on is the desire.

I knew I was gay before I slept with anybody.

I am not going to sleep with a woman. Ewwww...

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