The Fwench.

[Tripledoc]

But polytheistic religions are perhaps more based on morality tales, than strict laws.

Greek religion I think had no cencept of heaven, only the underworld - a dreary place.

Polytheisctic religions are often very life affirming, and leaves philosophy to a secular debate.

[problem_child]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
But polytheistic religions are perhaps more based on morality tales, than strict laws.

Greek religion I think had no cencept of heaven, only the underworld - a dreary place.

Polytheisctic religions are often very life affirming, and leaves philosophy to a secular debate.

Alot of 'pagan' religions are as you described, the only one not described as 'pagan' by the monoatheist brigade, is Hinduism (becasue they could'nt exterminate/wipe-out/invade/convert the whole of India).

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Akka

I don't remember any law saying that people aren't free to believe in what they want, or prevented to build and attend to place suiting their beliefs, or anything like that.

UNLESS, it goes against the laws of the state.
The laws of the state say : religion is a personnal matter, that should NOT be mixed with the State.
Public school are run by the state.
Hence, no religion in public school.


Some are able to understand the concept of neutral ground and keeping personnal opinions outside state-run institutions.
Others just shout "fascists" and claim there is religious oppression.

Then they do things the weird way in France -- I fail to see the logic behind prohibiting people from expressing their religion in public schools run by the state, since that individual's expression is not necessarily equated to government endorsement of the religion.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by duke o' york
Spiffor, ne vous inquiètez pas. Il y a beaucoup de gens de l'autre côté de la Manche qui s'en foutent de ceux qui veulent attacquer nos voisins francais. N'importe que disent les journaux "moins chers" anglais - il n'y a pas beaucoup qui pensent comme ça.

Un francophile.

I just decided never to vote for you at Mafia

[Ben Kenobi]

by definition they are all narrow-minded judgmental intolerants who think everybody else is going to the lake of fire to burn for eternity when they die, whereas Faithful people are all personal friends with The Man,

Interesting.

What would you think of a statement like this?

"For neither Baptism, Supper, nor church-fellowship, nor any other external ceremony, can without faith, the new birth, and a change or renewal of life, help or qualify us, that we may please God or recieve any consolation or promise of salvation from Him. "

"that all men without distinction, if they are obedient, through faith, follow, fulfill and live according to the precepts of the same, are his children and rightful heirs; having thus excluded none from the precious inheritance of eternal salvation."

[MrFun]

Oh, and everyone -- please do not confuse me with Bennie in this thread.

[The Mad Monk]

Who's going to confuse a mangy racoon for cute chicky?

[yavoon]

I think its messed up. but the french are scared of the muslims so why not?

it is an irony that u take everyone's tax money to build a huge socialist state then proceed to tell everyone what they can and can't wear in the state their tax money bought.

roads and sidewalks are state places too. religion shouldn't be allowed newhere near them. and also low income housing, no religion in low income housing. or in churches protected by the state, no religion in them.

[Akka]

Originally posted by MrFun
Then they do things the weird way in France -- I fail to see the logic behind prohibiting people from expressing their religion in public schools run by the state, since that individual's expression is not necessarily equated to government endorsement of the religion.

1) As students, they are under the authority of the State as long as they are in school. The State is responsible for everything that happens to them while they are in the school area at school hours.
As such, they are concerned by state neutrality on religion.

2) School is a place of learning. Displaying personnal opinions about politics and religions is forbidden, as it's not "learning", it's "publicising".

3) Consider it a dress code. You don't have problems with schools that require uniforms, I suppose. Then it's the same. The dress code of state school is "no religious signs".

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Akka

1) As students, they are under the authority of the State as long as they are in school. The State is responsible for everything that happens to them while they are in the school area at school hours.
As such, they are concerned by state neutrality on religion.

2) School is a place of learning. Displaying personnal opinions about politics and religions is forbidden, as it's not "learning", it's "publicising".

3) Consider it a dress code. You don't have problems with schools that require uniforms, I suppose. Then it's the same. The dress code of state school is "no religious signs".

actually in the "free world" the free exchange of ideas and opinions is considered the cornerstone to learning and improvement of a society.

u should join us someday.

[Tripledoc]

I sincerely hope that the French wins this cultural battle and causes all religion to wither away.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by yavoon
actually in the "free world" the free exchange of ideas and opinions is considered the cornerstone to learning and improvement of a society.

And your opinions are improving in what way?

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Tripledoc


And your opinions are improving in what way?

it is a general idea that allowing a free exchange of opinions and ideas facilitates a free and better nation.

do u not subscribe to this idea?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Akka

1) As students, they are under the authority of the State as long as they are in school. The State is responsible for everything that happens to them while they are in the school area at school hours.
As such, they are concerned by state neutrality on religion.

2) School is a place of learning. Displaying personnal opinions about politics and religions is forbidden, as it's not "learning", it's "publicising".

3) Consider it a dress code. You don't have problems with schools that require uniforms, I suppose. Then it's the same. The dress code of state school is "no religious signs".

Actually, I do have an annoyance with dress codes for schools.

So in public schools then, you shouldn't express your opinion on ANYTHING, since that would be -- gasp -- publicizing.

[Akka]

Originally posted by MrFun


Actually, I do have an annoyance with dress codes for schools.

So in public schools then, you shouldn't express your opinion on ANYTHING, since that would be -- gasp -- publicizing.

Not something that is religious, political or commercial.

Of course, you're welcome to ask questions about religions, publicity, history, political parties, etc.
But it must be restricted to facts, not propaganda or proselytism or trying to get bucks for it.
It's a place of learning (=> knowledge, critical thinking), NOT a place of endoctrinement (of course, I'm aware that there is plenty of people who mix "neutrality" with "religion-bashing", but well, if the concept of neutrality is lost for them, I'm not to blame...).