Germans gone Wild!

[Ned]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


Should they follow everything America says and does simply because of that?
A case could be made for America and France....

We should have the right to call in our chips at least once. This is not the same as saying Germany is a vassal.

[Nubclear]

We should have the right to call in our chips at least once.

So America joined WW2 for selfish reasons? I mean, if America was completly selfless as you imply then there should be no "chips" to call in.
Wiggle out of this one

Plus....America already called in its chips with The war on terror. Sorry.

[Provost Harrison]

Call in your chips? Thanks to WWII you became the dominant superpower so don't pretend you have been completely selfless. Besides, it is outside of your or my lifetime, so no one owes you sh*t...

[Ecthy]

repealed? the state ceased to exist, new constitution, inhumane laws repealed!

[Monk]

Hi Ned,

I guess you're right that the good men and women who fought on our side in WWII deserve all the credit they can get. I'm not going to under-estimate the significance of Marshall aid and other initiatives and neither should anybody else. However you still owe an explanation of why it logically follows from this fact that later generations of Germans or anybody else should automatically approve of the decisions of the U.S government. A good deal of people, many of them non-Americans, might have saved Germany and its Lebensraum from nazism, but just because George W. Bush is their countryman doesn't mean he's entitled to my gratitude. That is being consistent, because if I subscribed to your view, I'd not only have to approve of the Americans but also begin hating the Germans and the Russians for the dangers they once posed to mankind.

It appears as though you're still sending the entire people of Germany to hell because of their narrowly elected government and the ingratefulness of some. I think your logical fallacy lies with the fact that you regard a country as you'd regard a person. Accepting that premise, it's only natural that doing a favour back in time should be returned with some favours today. The problem, however, is that you can't view the world like that. You can't go from "Hey, the gov't of Germany doesn't like us" to "Let's condemn the Germans in general".

Furthermore, I'm still especially curious as to how you're going to substantiate your claim that the Germans hate the U.S for liberating the country from the Nazis.

[Nubclear]

Monk: What is that thing in your avatar?!

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
If I walked up to you and yelled "KILL ME DAMNIT! ****ING KILL ME!" would that make killing me any less of a crime?

The basis of all law is that your rights end where another begin, if someone wants you to kill them, you are not violating their rights, and thus it is fine.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Ned
That is the point, is it not? We and many other countries believed that Saddam was a part of the war on terror due to his WMD and alliance with terrorists.

The evidence of both is still missing. Come on, it can't be hard to place some "evidence" somewhere in Iraq, after all the United States have the largest stockpile of such weapons worldwide.

You may have disagreed or better did not agree that the evidence of linkage was sufficient, but true allies do not side with the enemy.

Sided with the enemy by voting for the continuation of the weapon inspections, huh?

If you had qualms about the sufficiency of the evidence, a simple abstention may have been tolerable.

I agree, a good vassal would have done this.

Thus vassal talk is pure crap and you know it.

No.

Good night, and have a blast trolling.

[Ben Kenobi]

The basis of all law is that your rights end where another begin, if someone wants you to kill them, you are not violating their rights, and thus it is fine.

We would presume that someone asking to be killed is mentally unstable, thus their request should not be acknowledged. They need help, not an executioner.

[Monk]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Monk: What is that thing in your avatar?!

It's the exceptional Swedish actor Ernst-Hugo Jähregaard as viewed from the bottom of a toilet in the Danish mini-series "The Kingdom".

[oedo]

Originally posted by Ned
If you had qualms about the sufficiency of the evidence, a simple abstention may have been tolerable.

Ned.....
no one had any qualms because there were no evidences at all. what do you think was the WMD argument for? it was necessary because there were absolutely no links between Iraq and al Queda. and I am sure we told you so before the war....over and over again.
if Saddam had anything to do with 911, guess what would have happened. the whole world would have supported the USA. yes even France would have. just like in Afghanistan.

and I think 8 1/2 years is a proper punishment for man eating on demand.

[Monk]

Originally posted by Monk
...because if I subscribed to your view, I'd not only have to approve of the Americans but also begin hating the Germans and the Russians for the dangers they once posed to mankind.

Just to clarify that, it's not that I don't generally approve of the United States. It's just that my approval is based on other things than events dating back fifty years.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Monk
I'm not going to under-estimate the significance of Marshall aid and other initiatives and neither should anybody else.

Why perpetuate a lie? The Marshall help was blatant imperialism. The Wirtshcaftwunder in Germany had nothing to do with the Marshall aid. In fact the money (goods really) spent would have been used better if Great Britains debt was liquidated instead. Hoever this was not an option, becasue then Britain might have had the option of becoming the clearing house of European trade again.

It appears as though you're (NED) still sending the entire people of Germany to hell because of their narrowly elected government and the ingratefulness of some.

The vast majority of Germans opposed the war, as did the people of Spain, Italy, Poland, England and presumably other nations as well.
The American government is not even democratically elected.

[DinoDoc]

How did we get from talking about German canibals to Iraq? I don't see the connection.

[Monk]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
How did we get from talking about German canibals to Iraq? I don't see the connection.

If I recall correctly, it was Tripledoc who accused Ned of hostility towards Europeans. Ned answered and here we are.