Germans gone Wild!

[Ned]

GePap, at times, I think no one will ever concede a point on this board.

[Saras]

I'll agree with that.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Ned
BeBro, and fellow Germans, my apologies. It seems from your posts that there is indeed a great deal of goodwill towards America in Germany.

As to the point about all this being in the past, that is hardly the case as many Americans still alive and kicking were alive and kicking during WWII even if they did not participate. Their fathers, uncles and grandparents fought in that war and manned the armies that for decades stood off the Bear. Their taxes went to pay for the protection of Germany and the Marshall Plan. For all that, we have a free and prosperous Germany -- that is free to disagree with us, unlike the situation would be had the Soviets won the cold war.

Most Germans greatly appreciate this, and there is absolutely no need to claim we would "hate" you for it.

Still, put yourselves in our shoes just for a moment. We were attacked and an old enemy, Saddam,

I must have missed this news. Wait... I go back looking up history... still nothing! So what do you mean by "attacked"?

appeared to be very chummy with the terrorist organization that attacked us

Also a pretty fishy claim, not backed by any fact.

and also appeared to be in open defiance of the UN concerning WMD.

Which still aren't found despite of over 100,000 "inspectors" with full control over the Iraqi territory. Darn, must have been a severe misinformation, let's go seek a scapegoat! At the moment it's the CIA.

We make the call that our security was at stake and called on Germany for help. Germany disagreed with our assessment and says no that it will not help. Perhaps the German assessment was better than ours. Perpaps it was not. But the point remains that it was OUR security that was at stake, not Germany's, and Germany said no when we asked.

Saddam did not threaten your security, not a bit, don't exaggerate, please. After you were attacked by terrorists (i.e. criminals) we helped you without any delay. And every country can get the target of a terrorist attack, Germany too.

A true friend and ally perhaps would not have said no particularly under circumstances where its own interests were only marginally at risk.

A true friend and ally doesn't lie to his partners and present forged "evidence" to get help for a war of aggression.

As to the point about the people being against the war, it seems that this attitude was greatly influenced by European media who virtually campaigned against the war claiming that it was all about America's Imperialism and not about its security. Not so?

America does very little to disprove this image. In fact, nothing. I'm inclined to think it's indeed so.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned
GePap, at times, I think no one will ever concede a point on this board.

Yes, you are a great example of that.

What on earth do you think "blank check" means?

[Ned]

It means an all out effort to avoid using the "magic" word, the very word that Kerry "conveniently" denies.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned
It means an all out effort to avoid using the "magic" word, the very word that Kerry "conveniently" denies.

Deserter, liar?

Sorry, being unclear does not work for you.

[Ned]

Originally posted by GePap


Deserter, liar?

Sorry, being unclear does not work for you.

Ah hah! When cornered, divert attention!

The socialist dialetic had not changed.