christianity and communism are fundamentally opposed.

[orange]

Yeah I suppose that whole 'based in atheism' thing would tend to alienate most Christians

[monkspider]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why not? You already came clean about the theft.

PS For monkspider: Common Ground Between the Philosophies of Christianity and Libertarianism

Dino-D I read some of that article, but eventually the small print got to me. I agree that libertarianism is not necessarily against christian principles, but only if the ultimate goal is socialism. If a libertarian society's goal is laissez faire capitalism, it is ultimately impossible for it to be in sync with Christ's teachings.

Anyway, I swore to myself that I would not engage in any debates on this site anymore, I only chimed in because this is a subject that's near and dear to me. You guys will find the truth in your own time.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Just to note the obvious: ther is property under communism; it's just that such property is collectively owned. So, to take collective property for your exclusive, private use would be stealing.

Frankly, it's much harder to reconcile capitalism and Christianity than to reconcile communism and Christianity.

[Urban Ranger]

Re: christianity and communism are fundamentally opposed.

Originally posted by Kaak
Of course, without property, there can be no theft, and in communism, there is no property.

There is no private ownship of property.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Kaak
when i was refering to communism, i was refering to true communism, not the poor attempts at it reflected in the "real world"

You mean like the original Christian communities?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


You mean like the original Christian communities?

Well done, sir! Bravo!

[KrazyHorse]

Also, wouldn't this imply a greater divergence between Judaism and Communism than between Communism and Christianity? (That passage being taken from the Old Testament, and bearing in mind such choice passages from the New Testament as "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle..."), but as we all know there has been a strong Jewish presence in the Communist movement from its earliest days (as a matter of fact, the only Communist MP ever to serve in the Canadian House of Commons was a Montreal Jew)...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
You mean like the original Christian communities?

There's also Jesus's abmodishment of selling all your properties and give $ to the poor. So much for Libertarianism.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


There's also Jesus's abmodishment of selling all your properties and give $ to the poor. So much for Libertarianism.

Is this mod speak?

[Ben Kenobi]

There are much better reasons for Christians to oppose Communism than the different ideas about property.

This whole 'religion is the opiate of the masses' and the slaughter of Christians in the former Soviet Union suggest small hints as to the animosity Communists have for Christians.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by orange
Yeah I suppose that whole 'based in atheism' thing would tend to alienate most Christians

ya think so?

[MrFun]

Don't forget -- them commies SURE hate those personal, roadside memorials!!!

[Sava]

I think Christianity and Communism have a lot in common. Both are supported by foolheartly idealists. Both are systems of belief and behavior that aren't realistic. Both require lots of "faith". And in the case of Soviet Communism, both are centered around a "God" or "boss" who are worthy of worship and everything is done in "his" name.

Both bring out the worst part of humans... and both seek to spread across the globe in hopes of world domination.

[MrFun]

Hey Sava -- not all Christians and commies are foolhardy.


That's just stereotyping everyone as being the same.

[Inverse Icarus]

god is such a commie.

put the pieces together, fellas.

1. god never holds elections.
2. god exiled the only opposition (satan) to hell.
3. in heaven, everyone has everything they need, and is happy.
4. there is no "black heaven", "white heaven", et al, no "rich heaven", or "poor heaven". classless society.
5. god wrote the history books.