christianity and communism are fundamentally opposed.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
Isn't it bad enough that I gave Che a hard time with my own similar thread a couple of months ago?

You have a very high opinion of yourself, don't you?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
This whole 'religion is the opiate of the masses' and the slaughter of Christians in the former Soviet Union suggest small hints as to the animosity Communists have for Christians.

"Slaughter of Christians?" What the hell are you talking about?

Anyway, the opiate of the masses thing is taken completely out of context. Marx is referring to opiate here in its medicinal meaning, i.e., that religion is the soother of pain, not that it is a drug which keeps people in a stupor (even if that is true).

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by paiktis22
The next reincarnation of Jesus was Che but noone realized it. They even looked the same.

One person did, but she intrrupted me eating my Whopper, so I wasn't very happy.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Uber KruX
god is such a commie.

put the pieces together, fellas.

1. god never holds elections.
2. god exiled the only opposition (satan) to hell.
3. in heaven, everyone has everything they need, and is happy.
4. there is no "black heaven", "white heaven", et al, no "rich heaven", or "poor heaven". classless society.
5. god wrote the history books.

So you read The Amber Spyglass too?

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


One person did, but she intrrupted me eating my Whopper, so I wasn't very happy.

I was talking about the original Che not some cheap ass pacified third rate immitation

[Commie Chocobo]

Originally posted by orange
Yeah I suppose that whole 'based in atheism' thing would tend to alienate most Christians

heh, communism isnt based in atheism, it just beleives that there is no god and that religion is a creation of the ruling class to help control the masses, in this case Marx was wrong, christianity imho, was created by and for the poor, but was manipulated annd warped into the moodern form by the late roman bourgeoisie

"You say this was a coerced agreement, but it, in fact was not. Coercion means somebody forced you to do something. You wouldn't consider the need to eat to be coercive, would you? Natural necessities are not coercive, they are facts of life. The need to eat is a fact of life, and if you want to fulfill that need, you have to find some way to get food. That way to get food is to either grow the food, steal the food, or buy the food. If you can grow all that you need, great. But most people have gotten past that hunter-gatherer nomadic mentality, and don't wanna do it anymore. If you want to, though, go ahead. As for outright stealing, surely you don't think it's OK for people to randomly raid cornfields that belong to others, right? And as for buying food, you need money for that. The way to get money is to perform a service for someone who has money, which is exactly what the workers of Dell are doing. How this is immoral is beyond me - it is only immoral and coercive if a)the will to survive is immoral, or b)you believe a natural need is coercive in the same way that an interaction between humans can be coercive. If you take option B, that's your prerogative, naturally, but it doesn't really get you anywhere, so there it is."

thhe way that these hypothetica Dell workers are coerced is bby the need to work, one must understand that in an attempt to make profites, this dell must take some of the work done by the employees away, that is the immoral bit, that the workers are not receiving their full paycheques because the capitalists take some of the money away, or pay the same money when new tech is made availabble which can increase the work one does, and there fore paying the amount for 5 quantities of item @ for the price the price of 2 quantities if iitem @, if you dont understand read Das Kapital

[Ben Kenobi]

"Slaughter of Christians?" What the hell are you talking about?

This Is The Age of Martyrs

In a recent article, Justin D. Long emphasized the startling fact that more people have died for their faith in the Twentieth Century than in all of the previous centuries combined. “During this century, we have documented cases in excess of 26 million martyrs. From AD 33 to 1900, we have documented 14 million martyrs.”

He did add, however, that thankfully martyrdom has been on the decline for the past decade. "The current rate is 159,000 martyrs per year -- down from 330,000 per year at the height of the cold war. With the demise of the Soviet Union and its sponsored communism, religious freedoms have opened up. Although there are still numerous restrictions and some persecution, martyrdom -- in the form of executions and assassinations -- has been significantly curtailed."

http://www.gospelcom.net/chi/GLIMPSEF/Glimpses/glmps105.shtml

[Ben Kenobi]

communism isnt based in atheism, it just beleives that there is no god

Is there a difference?

Another conflict would be the denial of absolute truths inherent in the Hegelian dialectic.

[Kuciwalker]

communism isnt based in atheism, it just beleives that there is no god

Clinton didn't commit perjury, he merely lied under oath.

(someone actually said that, btw, though I forget whom)

[Berzerker]

There's also Jesus's abmodishment of selling all your properties and give $ to the poor. So much for Libertarianism.

Libertarianism forbids you to give away your property? Uh uh, and under communism, you wouldn't have property. See how Jesus left it up to the wealthy man to decide if he would give away his property? The communist would kill him if he didn't hand it over...

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


This Is The Age of Martyrs

In a recent article, Justin D. Long emphasized the startling fact that more people have died for their faith in the Twentieth Century than in all of the previous centuries combined. “During this century, we have documented cases in excess of 26 million martyrs. From AD 33 to 1900, we have documented 14 million martyrs.”

He did add, however, that thankfully martyrdom has been on the decline for the past decade. "The current rate is 159,000 martyrs per year -- down from 330,000 per year at the height of the cold war. With the demise of the Soviet Union and its sponsored communism, religious freedoms have opened up. Although there are still numerous restrictions and some persecution, martyrdom -- in the form of executions and assassinations -- has been significantly curtailed."

http://www.gospelcom.net/chi/GLIMPSE...glmps105.shtml

Anyone else reminded of http://www.landoverbaptist.org/sermons/nosissy.html?

Does merely believing Jesus is the son of God mean you'll go to Heaven? Of course not. If Adolf Hitler believed Jesus is the son of God, does that mean he's in Heaven notwithstanding all the American soldiers he killed? Of course not. If Lee Harvey Oswald believed Jesus is the son of God, does that mean he's in Heaven despite all the prostitutes he hired? Of course not. If O.J. Simpson believes Jesus is the son of God, does that mean he's going to Heaven even though he married a white woman? Of course not.

[monkspider]

Originally posted by David Floyd
I'll deal with the rest of that nonsense about how Christianity's ultimate goal is socialism later, after class/work. Suffice it to say I've dealt with monkspider before on this issue, using the text of the New Testament, and if he wants to go down that road again, fine by me.

Sorry Dave, I don't debate anymore.

Though, I do have fond memories of our old days of long, drawn-out debates. I have discovered that, regardless of anything else, people will find the truth in their own time. So it's silly to try to believe otherwise.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Libertarianism forbids you to give away your property? Uh uh, and under communism, you wouldn't have property. See how Jesus left it up to the wealthy man to decide if he would give away his property? The communist would kill him if he didn't hand it over...

You missed the point completely. It is not Libetarianism does not allow people to give away their money, it is Jesus who asked people who wanted to follow him to give up worldly riches. Notice that Jesus did not make it optional.

Big conflict, I say.

[Berzerker]

You missed the point completely. It is not Libetarianism does not allow people to give away their money, it is Jesus who asked people who wanted to follow him to give up worldly riches. Notice that Jesus did not make it optional.

He did make it optional, the man walked away.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


You have a very high opinion of yourself, don't you?

Just because you are bitter that your ideology is based on a pipe dream, doesn't mean you can't have a sense of humor about yourself.