christianity and communism are fundamentally opposed.

[Sava]

Originally posted by MrFun
Hey Sava -- not all Christians and commies are foolhardy.

but enough to make the rest look that way...

That's just stereotyping everyone as being the same.

duh, it's what I do best...

[Sava]

Originally posted by Uber KruX
god is such a commie.

put the pieces together, fellas.

1. god never holds elections.
2. god exiled the only opposition (satan) to hell.
3. in heaven, everyone has everything they need, and is happy.
4. there is no "black heaven", "white heaven", et al, no "rich heaven", or "poor heaven". classless society.
5. god wrote the history books.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Sava
I think Christianity and Communism have a lot in common.

Other than the fact both constitute a religion, I don't see much similarity between the two.

[Bereta_Eder]

Actually I think communism and christianity are the closest a socioeconomic ideology and a metaphysical dogma can go in economic terms.
Help those in need etc.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Help those in need etc.

The key part of that is that Christianity doesn't force you to do that. It must be a willing act on your part for it to have meaning. Communism doesn't care what you want.

[Bereta_Eder]

In a way it "forces" you if you wanna go to heaven. Also we're talking about the "preachings" of the two, which appear to be very similar.

[Boris Godunov]

Being neither Communist nor Christian, I'm only interested in the potential trolls/flames. Lets go, folks!

[David Floyd]

Ramo,

As they ought to own the means of production, Micheal Dell is using state power to enforce appropriation of the computers from his employees, and I thus bought unjustly confiscated goods.

1)The workers should only own the means of production is a)the signed a contract giving them control, or b)they created the means of production, using their own resources, with no voluntary contract giving the means of production over to someone else.

The workers, by and large, are also incompetent to own and operate a corporation such as Dell

2)As Berz pointed out, they agreed to give the results of their labor to Dell.

You say this was a coerced agreement, but it, in fact was not. Coercion means somebody forced you to do something. You wouldn't consider the need to eat to be coercive, would you? Natural necessities are not coercive, they are facts of life. The need to eat is a fact of life, and if you want to fulfill that need, you have to find some way to get food. That way to get food is to either grow the food, steal the food, or buy the food. If you can grow all that you need, great. But most people have gotten past that hunter-gatherer nomadic mentality, and don't wanna do it anymore. If you want to, though, go ahead. As for outright stealing, surely you don't think it's OK for people to randomly raid cornfields that belong to others, right? And as for buying food, you need money for that. The way to get money is to perform a service for someone who has money, which is exactly what the workers of Dell are doing. How this is immoral is beyond me - it is only immoral and coercive if a)the will to survive is immoral, or b)you believe a natural need is coercive in the same way that an interaction between humans can be coercive. If you take option B, that's your prerogative, naturally, but it doesn't really get you anywhere, so there it is.

I'll deal with the rest of that nonsense about how Christianity's ultimate goal is socialism later, after class/work. Suffice it to say I've dealt with monkspider before on this issue, using the text of the New Testament, and if he wants to go down that road again, fine by me.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Being neither Communist nor Christian, I'm only interested in the potential trolls/flames. Lets go, folks!

away with ye, poultry pop.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Other than the fact both constitute a religion, I don't see much similarity between the two.

Are you kidding? The teachings of Jesus are very communist.

Remember all that talk about how it will be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven? Sounds like class warfare to me!

[Bereta_Eder]

The next reincarnation of Jesus was Che but noone realized it. They even looked the same.

[Whoha]

You didn't see that SNL skit about making larger needle eyes and genetically engineered smaller camels?

"we ground up a camel into a sluci and it passed through fairly easily, but that might be considered cheating"

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Are you kidding? The teachings of Jesus are very communist.

Selective reading might possibly lead someone to that conclusion.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Are you kidding? The teachings of Jesus are very communist.

Remember all that talk about how it will be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven? Sounds like class warfare to me!

This coming from someone who not too long ago, argued that Jesus may not have ever existed.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by MrFun
This coming from someone who not too long ago, argued that Jesus may not have ever existed.

Whether he did or didn't exist doesn't change the fact that teachings ascribed to him exist, so what's the point of mentioning it?