phelps is at it again.

[Shi Huangdi]

Fred Phelps is a severely misguided soul in deep need of our prayers.

[MrFun]

amen, Shi

[FrustratedPoet]

He's in need of a swift kick up the arse.

[chequita guevara]

He, and his whole family, are in need of a meeting with my attitude adjustment stick.

[Ben Kenobi]

You can't define somone out of Christianity to suit your purposes.

Agreed. I still don't see any examples provided by Che, et al of any Christians involved in the clinic bombings. Christians do not agree with abortions, but neither do they sanction violence against clinics as a means to stop them.

As for Phelps, he's on his own, if his church has asked him to leave. The idea is that Phelps, through disconnection from the Baptists will seek to return, and will realise that he is in opposition to the teaching of the church. Until then, all we can do is what Shi posted, is to pray for him.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I still don't see any examples provided by Che, et al of any Christians involved in the clinic bombings.

If they weren't perpetrated by Christians than who? Jews? Moslems? Atheists? The only people in these extremist organizations are Christians (albeit comeplete loony whackjobs).

[FrustratedPoet]

I'm not sure if being a Christian is a pre-requisite for believing that abortion is murder.

[SKILORD]

Sometimes it is useful to radicalize your opponents so as to alienate them from the mainstream public (A great many DL's attempt to do this).

My point? This Phelps fellow is obviously an undercover homosexual.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
I'm not sure if being a Christian is a pre-requisite for believing that abortion is murder.

It's not, but in the U.S. the extemists are overwhelimingly Christians. Moslems and some Jews also make the case that abortion is wrong.

[Ben Kenobi]

(albeit comeplete loony whackjobs).

Che,
There you go. Loony whackjobs blow up clinics.

The Christian churches do not teach that the way to stop abortion is to blow up clinics.

Rather, we favour peaceful protests as a means of social change, on the model of Dr. MLK.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Che,
There you go. Loony whackjobs blow up clinics.

Yes, but they are Christian looney whackjobs. There are a handful of pastors out there who teach that violence is acceptable to save others *hint* *hint* to certain unstable members of their congregations.

[FrostyBoy]

*writes down another reason why I should not go to the US*

[FrostyBoy]

btw, I stopped thinking that humans actually know ANYTHING about God, Jesus, etc. Because they clearly do not and cannot.

Infact, it has come to my attention, that it would be required of you to be omnicient in order to understand God at all; considering this is impossible, the best advice anyone can give you is: Keep things simple, be gentle and patient, do not judge, do not rule, but ultimately, be humble.

But no, we have thousands of pasters who say "But Gold told me to do this and that and this" "God says its OK" "God told me that being Gay is a sin" blah blah. This is why I stopped going to church, all they do is tell you what THEY think that God is about.

[Ben Kenobi]

There are a handful of pastors out there who teach that violence is acceptable to save others *hint* *hint* to certain unstable members of their congregations.

Names would be helpful, of these churches that teach this sort of thing.

[Jon Shafer]

Once he came to my campus to "preach" during a football game... sad...