I HATE vegitarians who are vegitarians because of the animals well being

[Odin]

Originally posted by Dissident
blah! blah! growing plants takes up more space. *yawn*

Show me a plant that has as much protein (and B12 for that matter) as meat and tastes just as good.

I'm waiting. I'll eat it in a heartbeat if it meets the above qualifications.

Plants take up less space pound for pound.

DON"T DISS THE BEANS DISS!

Oh, yeah, read what I sais about FISH.

[Dis]

well I like my fish and chips.

But currently we are depleting the oceans of fish. I really didn't think we could impact a huge ocean like that, but we are. We are overfishing.

beans aren't bad. But they aren't what I prefer. In fact I only like refried beans in mexican food. I really don't eat any other kind of bean.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Dissident
well I like my fish and chips.

But currently we are depleting the oceans of fish. I really didn't think we could impact a huge ocean like that, but we are. We are overfishing.

beans aren't bad. But they aren't what I prefer. In fact I only like refried beans in mexican food. I really don't eat any other kind of bean.

Have you ever heard of raising fish (Aquaculture)?

BTW, I beans.

[Dis]

there was an article in a recent Discover magazine that illustrated raising fish in the gulf of California. Fish farms I think is what they were called. And there have also been articles about no-fishing zones to help restore the balance.

I do believe with careful management we could prevent the oceans from being completely depleted of fish.

But that would require restrictions of fishing zones.

Would a republican administration support these things? Not likely.

[The Mad Monk]

Actually, the United States and Canada are cooperating extensively on protecting Cod fisheries, at the expense of our own fishing industry.

Damn European cod poachers.

[Jon Miller]

eat soy

Jon Miller

[Atahualpa]

tsss I think it this is utter ridiculous. When someone steps off from the mass platform everything he/she does suddenly needs to be in perfect harmony whereas all the pigs that go with the mass doesnt matter what they do.

[Frozzy]

The answer to this is eat more spam.

[CerberusIV]

Well, I don't eat bits of dead mammals because they make me feel bad. Somthing to do with all the crap that is injected into and fed to the animals before killing them. I do eat fish though.

What I really loathe, and possibly what was the original point of this thread, are the veggie cretins who want EVERYONE to stop eating meat to satisfy their own pshchological inadequacies. These people should be shipped off to the Falkland Islands or somewhere similar and left to fend for themselves.

[Ben Kenobi]

while stepping over a homeless person on the street

Let's start a campaign, Vesayen:

Shoot a deer, feed a homeless person.

Secondly, regarding aquaculture, there was a really good article published awhile ago that I will try to paraphrase. Essentially, they argued that aquaculture is a net loss in terms of biomass; rather than aquaculture reducing demand for fish products, aquaculture increases the demand.

So the less fish we get from fishing the less we will be able to develop aquaculture. There are also some problems with sea lice in aquaculture, with the pre-requisite gross pictures of baby salmon infested with insects covering over half of their body.

[Traianvs]

Yeap, exactly right. I am very carefull about everything I buy. It's not as hard as you think.

don't bull**** me, you don't even know that a lot of things you buy are made through slave labour; it doesn't say in big red letters that it's made through slave labour you know..

No, slavery is slavery......... is a slave better off being given a piece of horse **** every night to eat, or being free but having to find another means of sustinence?

Being free... sure they would be free, but they would have nothing to eat and would just starve to death just like they do in Africa (most slave labour is done in Asia, India, Pakistan and that stuff, and by by ethnic minorities all over the world). The meaning of slavery now isn't quite what you would think it is... The company doesn't "own" the employee, it just lets him work for a very low wage, in a bad environment etc..

It's been done before dude, you can't just free millions from this sort of slavery and give them nothing in return... That's the difficult part of fighting this problem. You'll see that even though they earn like $2/day they won't want to quit their job because they have no other option. You know, overpopulation... too much human pigs on this planet.

That smacks REDICULOUSLY of imperialism so dont even try to use that rationale....... "The natives cant handle themselves, so we'll manage them now, but gradually we'll raise them to our level!" ask the native americans, africans and native australians how that worked out! I dont think you'll like there response very much.

Dude that is totally different. The new Americans took away the land of the native ones, the new Australians took away the land of the aboriginals etc... We're not trying to take over India you know... Look I don't support these big companies, on the other hand they should pay up a lot more. You don't get what I'm saying...
Why do you think people go to work in these factories, because they haven't got any alternative.. if they had one, they wouldn't work there. If Nike could spend a few billions less on advertising with Beckham and start paying their workers a bit more, that would be a step in the good direction. That is the problem, they have to take the initiative by treating them better!

Your trying to wave your hand, say "pah!" and expect that to be justification, it isnt. The problem is quite simply, and one you havent addressed, that you are concerning yourself with animal suffering over human suffering, which seems barbaric.

This is your (and several others) problem man.. Your sense of superiority over other living things. It's not because you are able to thing abstractly that you are worth more... It's a ridiculous point of view because there isn't such a thing as being worth more than another animal. Like that animal is not worth more than you. It's you who seems barbaric to me...

Now was it Ghandi that said you could rate a civilization by looking at the way they treat their animals?... A civilization with the best technology or the biggest population isn't necessarily the best one you know..

[Ben Kenobi]

Now was it Ghandi that said you could rate a civilization by looking at the way they treat their animals?...

You know, overpopulation... too much human pigs on this planet.

People are animals too. Even if they are human 'pigs' should we not care for them and treat them well?

You'll see that even though they earn like $2/day they won't want to quit their job because they have no other option.

You also have to consider how much they can buy for 2$ American a day in their home country.

[muxec]

Animals eat each other why shouldn't we?

[Ben Kenobi]

Animals eat each other why shouldn't we?

I'm sorry muxec, but are you advocating that we should eat other human beings?

Only the carnivores eat other animals.

[Maniac]

1. "Yes, its a healthier diet"

Complete vegetarianism isn't healthier actually. According to my biology teacher from a few years back, there's a certain vitamin that the human body doesn't produce in sufficient quality out of itself, and which can only be found in meat. You need to eat meat at least once a month to stay completely healthy, so he said.