I HATE vegitarians who are vegitarians because of the animals well being

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Vegans eat loads of soy and tofu though. Don't these vegetables replace animal proteins and vitamins to some extent ?

Not B12, unless it is fortified with it (which it often is).

I'm kind of sceptical of B12, personally. I've heard that it is needed, but have never been told what it does, and why it's needed. Why do humans need it, but other mammals not? (yes yes, different species... but for something as important as B12 is made out be, you would think it would be pretty fundemental)

[Jon Miller]

http://www.vegsoc.org/info/vegan-nutrition.html#esse

http://www.olympus.net/messina/answers.html

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/

Jon Miller

[Japher]

I hate the term Organic, as it pertains to food... I know they mean Organically Grown, but even that doesn't make it "better"...

[Combat Ingrid]

B12 deficiency leads to anemia (reduced number of red blood cells). However, the body can store the vitamins for more than ten years. You may actually also get enough B12 from bacteria in the food if you don't cook it too well, although that way is not highly recommended

[Dis]

Originally posted by Osweld


Not B12, unless it is fortified with it (which it often is).

I'm kind of sceptical of B12, personally. I've heard that it is needed, but have never been told what it does, and why it's needed. Why do humans need it, but other mammals not? (yes yes, different species... but for something as important as B12 is made out be, you would think it would be pretty fundemental)

If you read Vital Signs in Discover magazine there was an incident in which a sick person was sick because of B12 deficiency. I can't remember exactly what it does. I'd have to find that issue of discvoer

[Zero]

Just corn and beans cover all the types of amino acids you need. Though Im not sure about how much corn and beans u need to eat to cover the daily amount recommended.

[Japher]

I think I will just keep eating meat, as it is too hard to be a vegitarian or a vegan

[Zero]

Originally posted by Osweld


Not B12, unless it is fortified with it (which it often is).

I'm kind of sceptical of B12, personally. I've heard that it is needed, but have never been told what it does, and why it's needed. Why do humans need it, but other mammals not? (yes yes, different species... but for something as important as B12 is made out be, you would think it would be pretty fundemental)

"coenzyme in nucleic acid metabolism; needed for maturation of red blood cells"

-From Biology Textbook-

[gsmoove23]

Jeez, I'm not a vegetarian but I've drastically cut down the amount of meat I eat and sworn off veal(which is absolutely delicious), so I'm a hypocrite because I have a leather belt?! By all means lets refrain from making any moral choices because inevitably something will pop up that will prove us to be a hypocrite.

Its hard to disengage from the norm but any attempt is worthwhile.

[Zero]

8 essential amino acid

Corn and grains

Tryptophan
Methionine
Valine
Threonine
Phenylalnine
Leucine
Isoleucine
Lysine

Bean and other legumes

(purple = both corn and beans)

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Gibsie
I think people who are vegetarian for health reasons are idiots. The occasional hamburger isn't going to kill you.

Unless they ate it in Britain while the government was denying that people could catch Mad Cow disease. Or the people who die from ecoli 157 or other food poisoning (which is ever more common in these days of factory farming and inhumane animal raising conditions).


There is nothing at all wrong with not wanting to eat animals because of how animals are treated. I buy free range eggs, because I don't want to support the practice of stuffing hens insde cages which are too small for them to turn around where they are debeaked and force fed while pumped full of anitbiotics because they are so crowded that diease is a serious problem.

If I could buy free range pork I would, and I do buy free range beef. I only buy American caught shrimp, because I know they have nets which don't trap sea turtles and American tuna because I know it is dolphin safe.

Just because I like meat doesn't mean I want to see animals suffer. Just because I like fish doesn't mean I want to see mangrove swamps destroyed, turtles and dolphins drownes, and the sea beds scoured clean. Not only are practices which are human better for the animal, but they are less polluting and produce safer food, thus helping humans as well.

[Zero]

oh and if there vegans out there not eating beef cause they think its cruel to grow them in stocks and slaughter them for our food... remember cow is doing the same thing.

(they feed on bacterias that they farm in their guts)

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Dissident
do animals show fear before they are about to be slaughtered?

I think most animals are too stupid to realize what's about to happen.

They only recognize fear in the form of predators.

Then, yet again, you'd be wrong. Prey animals can small blood and understand the cries of the animals before them. They know that something very bad is about to happen and they are afraid.

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Unless they ate it in Britain while the government was denying that people could catch Mad Cow disease. Or the people who die from ecoli 157 or other food poisoning (which is ever more common in these days of factory farming and inhumane animal raising conditions).

I was speaking relatively. You know, like if I said, the occasional tree won't kill you (although quite a few people may be killed by trees every year). Mad cow disease currently makes SARS look like a worldwide disease, and the number of people who actually die from eating infected meat is still so low that it gets reported in newspapers. So bleh

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Odin
That is why I support aquaculture, raising fish takes less space than raisng mammals and birds, and will reduce the ecological damage from comercial fishing.

Actually, it doesn't. Aquaculture is highly polluting and requires that fish be caught from the wild (so they can be turned into fish food).