New Anti-Semitism

[Edan]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Frankly I think it'd a smashing idea if the entire idea of a 'Jewish state' or 'Muslim state' or 'Christian state', etc. were relegated to the ashheap of history. We've had enough religious intolerance in our history, do we really need anymore?

I think it would be great if a Jewish state wasn't necessary, but it's precisely because religious intolerance does exist, that it is a necessity.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Bull****. Holocaust guilt only goes so far.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Bull****. Holocaust guilt only goes so far.

It's not about holocaust guilt - the state was well on it's way to being formed before the Holocaust ever happened. It's about a people empowering themselves to prevent such incidents as the holocaust and the millenia of oppression, massacres and pogroms they've had to endure, and who helped rescue those that were still enduring the like in places like Ethiopia, the Soviet Union, Iraq, Egypt and so on.

[MRT144]

Edan, thats terrible reasoning.

[Drake Tungsten]

Y'know, I think the Arabs have good reason to be anti-Israel.

I don't.

[Berzerker]

If Arabs are anti-semitic for hating Jews, what are Jews who hate Arabs? Oh yeah...anti-semitic.

[Ecthy]

Generally banning violence when others have no way to defend themselves but through vioöent action, is basically wrong. I know that especialyl those who just enjoy to get on other people's nerves with non-violent action, talk about mental aggression, are the first to cry out anti-physical-violence paroles because they know it's all they have to fear.

I find it perfectly OK to kick someone's arse when telling him to shut up doesn't suffice to make him do.

[Mr. President]

So if I told you to shut up, and you didn't, I could kick your ass?

[MRT144]

Mr. President dont make me come over there and shut you up!

[Ecthy]

Well, yes, in a way, namely if I get on your nerves so much that you want to do it. However, you'd have to be better than me

The effect of this is that I think twice before getting on people's nerves. In groups/societies that are so "progressive" that violence is banned (in the heads), people go on each other's nerves and psycho terro has a boom.

So, if people think they can afford getting on my nerves and putting me under their evil mental pressure just because I am too weak to defend, they're free to learn otherwise.

[Ben Kenobi]

Islam is still making it's crusades. Israel is just one place.

Good point Siro.

Agathon:

The reason why holocaust deniers should not have a job in a university is not because the position fosters hate, but because the position is flat out wrong.

It's like giving a job in a physics department to a flat-earther.

When you concentrate on the hate, you miss the real point that 6 million people did die, and this person would rather tell lies than address the truth.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Oerdin


If the Israel settlements are illegal since they were taken by war then why don't you also consider half of Poland to be one Giant illegal settlement or nearly all of Russia or China or Turkey or every country in the new world or Australia or New Zealand or just about every single country on Earth? It seems very hypocritical to condemn one but let the other 100 just slide by. Is there some reason you are so eager to have to rules inforced for just one country while all the others walk free?

I´d call them illegal because the United Nations do it, not just because they are taken by war.
And many/most of the settlements are even illegal by israel law (which AFAIK doesn´t matter much, cos if they become more permanent structures [with houses instead of caravans] they would regardless be guarded by the israel Army instead of being expelled)

[Vandal-1]

Originally posted by Boddington's
I think the Jews should go home, really.

I think that they are home,and regardless of Arab resistance or Phillistine guerilla efforts the U.S. will support Israels continued survival. The U.S is therefore rightly identified with Israel ( or vice versa ) by the Arabs. The current increase in Anti-sematism is caused by guilt through association and as a propaganda device to recruit patriotic and racist Islamics for the resistence.It also is a seed in the West to foster a attitude that "Jews" are trouble makers and our defense of them has gone on long enough,if in long run the Persian war goes badly.

[Az]

Why the notion that without the US, Israel wouldn't survive?

[Solly]

How much aid are you receiving Azazel? Could you do without it...