New Anti-Semitism

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Azazel
Why the notion that without the US, Israel wouldn't survive?

arent you gettig a frew billion in aid? what is it, 4 billion? that buys a lot of perdy tanks.

and you cant ignore that a lot of what america does in the gulf is in the intrests of isreal.

if we just threw our hands up and said "screw you isreal, have fun", you'd be gone inside of a year.

[Vandal-1]

Originally posted by Azazel
Why the notion that without the US, Israel wouldn't survive?

I do not claim that Israel is dependant on U.S. support,but that we underwrite Israeli security since they are a ally.Israel will have the best weaponry we can supply even in cases where we do not agree on how it is used.If this supply were given to the Arabs instead ( or aswell )what would the consequence be to Israel per se if given a" Jew toublemaker "attitude in the US? versus Who would benefit?
1) Israel is simultaneously hit with tactical nuclear weapons and Arab RDF with in 20yrs
2)Arab Caliphate(our wealthy oil suppliers)purchases advanced weaponry and uses it on Israel with out fear of retaliatiion.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by obiwan18

Agathon:

The reason why holocaust deniers should not have a job in a university is not because the position fosters hate, but because the position is flat out wrong.

It's like giving a job in a physics department to a flat-earther.

That's only one reason, and frankly a less compelling one.

The main reason to eject this guy is that he was a Nazi (yes, a real Nazi, member of a neo-Nazi Party) and that he uses his beliefs to deliberately foster hate against Jews.

No one at a university should have to put up with that.

[Az]

arent you gettig a frew billion in aid? what is it, 4 billion? that buys a lot of perdy tanks.

and you cant ignore that a lot of what america does in the gulf is in the intrests of isreal.

if we just threw our hands up and said "screw you isreal, have fun", you'd be gone inside of a year.

Typical American arrogance. we did great for some 20 years before you started to help us.

The help you give us is military, in other words, you find a cute way to subsidize all those defence contractors. And by paying us this 2.5 billion dollars USD, which are all returned to the US economy, and are a drop in a well for the US, you have a country completely at your service, the strongest country in the middle east.

That money, is btw, around 2 percent of our GDP.

I do not claim that Israel is dependant on U.S. support,but that we underwrite Israeli security since they are a ally.Israel will have the best weaponry we can supply even in cases where we do not agree on how it is used.If this supply were given to the Arabs instead ( or aswell )what would the consequence be to Israel per se if given a" Jew toublemaker "attitude in the US? versus Who would benefit?

Americans are already selling Arms to Arab states, some of them are potential Israeli adversaries, and the chances of those weapons attacking Israel exist. E.g. Egypt, the Gulf states.

1) Israel is simultaneously hit with tactical nuclear weapons and Arab RDF with in 20yrs

If Israel is hit with TBMs, the middle east will be a very large crater, with all the states from Morroco to Pakistan going down with us.

2)Arab Caliphate(our wealthy oil suppliers)purchases advanced

weaponry and uses it on Israel with out fear of retaliatiion.
How? magic?

[Ben Kenobi]

That's only one reason, and frankly a less compelling one.

Facts are less compelling than opinion?

No one at a university should have to put up with that.

Right. That's why we need to sanitise textbooks so that students never see 'objectionable' material. Show the kids the truth about the holocaust and they will laugh in the face of holocaust deniers.

The only solution to hate is education.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Azazel


Typical American arrogance.

Typical Middle Eastern Ignorance.

our pride is justified. we look down on you with contempt. we rock. we rock so hard.

[Az]

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Oerdin
If the Israel settlements are illegal since they were taken by war then why don't you also consider half of Poland to be one Giant illegal settlement or nearly all of Russia or China or Turkey or every country in the new world or Australia or New Zealand or just about every single country on Earth? It seems very hypocritical to condemn one but let the other 100 just slide by. Is there some reason you are so eager to have to rules inforced for just one country while all the others walk free?

That's not a wise post. The international laws, as any other, do not affect the past; They may deal with Israel
case, but not with H.Cortez.
And Poland didn't take Silesia and western Pomerania because it attacked germany and took it, but it was given it in exchange for much bigger grounds in the east taken by USSR.

Polish President Aleksander Kwaeniewski last year publicly acknowledged “the full, sometimes bitter truth” that Polish citizens, not the German occupation forces, were primarily responsible for the massacre of 1600 Jews in the Polish town of Jedwabne in July 1941. After Polish émigré historian Jan Tomasz Gross exposed the Poles’ role, the Polish government’s Institute of National Memory investigated the matter and Poland’s leaders finally admitted that the traditional claim of “we didn’t do it” was false.

there's a mistake. tradition 1600 victims number was proven to be false. The number of victims is about 300.
When it comes to the role, Germans were the ones to start the thing, but that some Poles participated, only that was proven - and in fact it didn't have to be proven, as results of trial in the fifties have already shown that.

[Vandal-1]

weaponry and uses it on Israel with out fear of retaliatiion.
How? magic
The Conditional was "if given no support from US/GB in a "in a Jew Troublemaker attitude" I guess France would still be in or your old friends in Germany eh?

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Y'know, I think the Arabs have good reason to be anti-Israel.

I don't.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Boddington's
How much aid are you receiving Azazel? Could you do without it...

hi ,

how much technology goes out of Israel , ......

the key technology for the JDAMs comes from Israel , so does the tech from our arrow , ......

countless inovations in the medical field , etc , .......

who buys in the us , who spends his money there , ......

how much of that aid can only be used inside the us to buy from us firms , ..... therefore the money stays right where it is and generates jobs inside the us of a , .....

have a nice day

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Uber KruX


isrealis are just jews with guns

This makes me laugh. I don't know why.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by obiwan18

Facts are less compelling than opinion?

Right. That's why we need to sanitise textbooks so that students never see 'objectionable' material. Show the kids the truth about the holocaust and they will laugh in the face of holocaust deniers.

The only solution to hate is education.

OK so we let a real neo-nazi, who was on the run from Germany from prosecution for hate, fraud and for performing illegal medical experiments on people, come to our university to get credentials that will help him spread his evil views, and we let him do a PhD thesis in which he will interview elderly German immigrants to New Zealand (most of whom were holocaust survivors).

Your call.

[Ben Kenobi]

we let him do a PhD thesis in which he will interview elderly German immigrants to New Zealand (most of whom were holocaust survivors).

That requires the permission of the holocaust survivors, from an ethical standpoint. Do you think they would if they knew the intent of the study?

prosecution for hate, fraud and for performing illegal medical experiments on people,

Fraud and performing illegal medical experiments are plenty of justification to ban the fellow from doing his PhD thesis from the university. Hate need not enter the picture.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by obiwan18

That requires the permission of the holocaust survivors, from an ethical standpoint. Do you think they would if they knew the intent of the study?

The study was not on the holocaust, but on the experiences of Germans who emigrated to New Zealand. Read the letters in Appendix Z of the report I link to below and see what you think.

Fraud and performing illegal medical experiments are plenty of justification to ban the fellow from doing his PhD thesis from the university. Hate need not enter the picture.

Apparently, they weren't. It was a long struggle to get him out.

Read about it and see if you disagree.

http://unipr.waikato.ac.nz/news/kupka-report.shtml