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[Willem]

Originally posted by Alexander01
Just not agricultural and seafaring!
They've got to be possibly the worst traits ever!

What's wrong with Agricultural? I always found those the types of civs in Civ 3 to be the hardest to keep up to as far as expansion was concerned. They got large very quickly.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Alexander01
Just not agricultural and seafaring!

Seafaring sounds totally awesome with lots of islands.

Agricultural (+1 food per tile) simply kicks arse. It's like having a farm on every tile without doing the work, and you can further improve the land by building a farm. Grassland + farm = 4 food. Awesome.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Willem


What's wrong with Agricultural? I always found those the types of civs in Civ 3 to be the hardest to keep up to as far as expansion was concerned. They got large very quickly.

I guess my problem is that I don't think it'll be quite like Industrial, Creative, or Expansive.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Alexander01


I guess my problem is that I don't think it'll be quite like Industrial, Creative, or Expansive.

It can be just as powerful as Industrial and Expansive, and much more powerful than Creative. Think about it, even an extra food in the city square means you can put a citizen on a mine that you can't manage to feed with any other trait. It would be a real boost to your productivity.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Willem
It can be just as powerful as Industrial and Expansive, and much more powerful than Creative. Think about it, even an extra food in the city square means you can put a citizen on a mine that you can't manage to feed with any other trait. It would be a real boost to your productivity.

Come to think of it, agricultural could be like financial. That is, +1 food where there is 2 or more food. That would make a plains tile + farm produce 3 food. That's very powerful.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Come to think of it, agricultural could be like financial. That is, +1 food where there is 2 or more food. That would make a plains tile + farm produce 3 food. That's very powerful.

Too powerful IMO.

[Alexander I]

It seems to me that Agricultural would be the type of trait that would lend itself to the dreaded ICS.

[Older than Dirt]

So is this the long awaited third patch?

[sabrewolf]

patience, patience...

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Older than Dirt
So is this the long awaited third patch?

No.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Seafaring sounds totally awesome with lots of islands.

Agricultural (+1 food per tile) simply kicks arse. It's like having a farm on every tile without doing the work, and you can further improve the land by building a farm. Grassland + farm = 4 food. Awesome.

I loved the Dutch, (seafaring/agricultural)

[monkspider]

The problem I have with bringing back the seafaring/agricultural traits is that how many leaders are there who were actually agricultural or seafaring personally? The nations may have been, but not the leaders themselves.

[Zoid]

Well, the leader and his people are sometimes indistinguishable

[Alexander I]

Well, you could find a seafaring leader easily for the Phoenicians, Dutch, Portuguese and Vikings.

Ex.:

Phoenicians: Hanno
Portuguese: Henry the Navigator
Vikings: (Any)
Dutch: William of Orange

[Locutus]

William of Orange was definitely not in any way 'seafaring'. He may well never even have seen the sea in his life. Well, that might be a slight stretch (although I certanly don't remember any major event in his life taking place anywhere near the sea), but he was very much a 'man of the land'. He financed others to control the Dutch 'navy' (it was more like a band of corsairs than a real navy during his lifetime), he did not command it himself.