Thinking Of Getting NWN2

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Stuie
That's pretty funny seeing as I (and most ATI users) couldn't run Civ4 out of the box.

I could...

[vee4473]

There is no debate that civ 4 had technical issues on larger maps out of the box, especially regarding zooming out and larger maps.

I recall similar issues being brought up at civ 4's release...it is true, there is NO debate.

[Harovan]

Did anyone ever succeed in selling a store dry of money? I had that yesterday. Tried to sell my loot to my favorite (i.e. most paying) merchant and got a message back, that the store can't afford the item. Only after I bought something roughly equally valuable, I could sell it, just to get the same message for the next item. Never ran into such things in NWN1, where I also always had a favorite merchant. Makes sense, though.

[Stuie]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Did anyone ever succeed in selling a store dry of money? I had that yesterday. Tried to sell my loot to my favorite (i.e. most paying) merchant and got a message back, that the store can't afford the item. Only after I bought something roughly equally valuable, I could sell it, just to get the same message for the next item. Never ran into such things in NWN1, where I also always had a favorite merchant. Makes sense, though.

I ran into that problem in some NWN user modules; don't think it ever happened to me in the official campaigns though. But yes, I've had it happen in NWN2 at one store thus far.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by vee4473
There is no debate that civ 4 had technical issues on larger maps out of the box, especially regarding zooming out and larger maps.

I recall similar issues being brought up at civ 4's release...it is true, there is NO debate.

It's all relative - Civ4 out of the box was pretty decent by today's standards. Certainly on another level from NWN2 by all reports.

[Stuie]

Sorry - he said "there is NO debate".

[duke o' york]

The merchant with limited cash is a great thing.

If you have enough cash then you can powergame your way through even with a rubbishy build, so cutting down on the money in the economy is a great way to prevent people just cruising around for cash and not concentrating on the plot. Although if what I've heard about the plot is true, then maybe this is a bad thing.

Apologies to anyone else who wants to borrow my copy of NWN2, but I'm not sending it abroad - it'd cost a fortune.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Stuie
Sorry - he said "there is NO debate".

I wasn't debating I was merely pointing out it was wrong.

[vee4473]

Originally posted by DrSpike


It's all relative - Civ4 out of the box was pretty decent by today's standards. Certainly on another level from NWN2 by all reports.

no debate! ha

well, all i'm saying is that i recall a similar level of "it works on mine", "it doesn't work on mine", "it will work if you tweak these settings all the way down", "the xxx patch will help the performance" etc when civ 4 was released.

And for me personally, i'm having a similar experience with nwn2 that i had with civ4, that being it works for the most part out of the box, but needs to be tweaked down quite a bit on the settings to go smoother graphically.

Which is another similarity nwn2 has to civ4: the graphics just don't seem to correlate with the computing power apparently needed. Nor does it seem consistent at all (how some with powerful rigs still have bad performance). Especially given the other games that are out there that graphically outshine nwn2 yet perform better.

i guess it is relative, i just meant that civ4 wasn't the "paragon of gaming performance" at release.

[Dis]

Originally posted by vee4473
There is no debate that civ 4 had technical issues on larger maps out of the box, especially regarding zooming out and larger maps.

I recall similar issues being brought up at civ 4's release...it is true, there is NO debate.

I'm still having trouble with civ4 since I went back to my old video card. Can't play large maps or larger.

[Stuie]

Originally posted by Dis
I'm still having trouble with civ4 since I went back to my old video card. Can't play large maps or larger.

No, you're not. Spikey said so.

[DrSpike]

I did no such thing.

Issues that persist today are probably down to low end systems not coping, individuals not updating drivers etc, or not patching to the most recent version of Civ. No doubt there are exceptions which prove the rule.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by vee4473


no debate! ha

well, all i'm saying is that i recall a similar level of "it works on mine", "it doesn't work on mine", "it will work if you tweak these settings all the way down", "the xxx patch will help the performance" etc when civ 4 was released.

And for me personally, i'm having a similar experience with nwn2 that i had with civ4, that being it works for the most part out of the box, but needs to be tweaked down quite a bit on the settings to go smoother graphically.

Which is another similarity nwn2 has to civ4: the graphics just don't seem to correlate with the computing power apparently needed. Nor does it seem consistent at all (how some with powerful rigs still have bad performance). Especially given the other games that are out there that graphically outshine nwn2 yet perform better.

i guess it is relative, i just meant that civ4 wasn't the "paragon of gaming performance" at release.

I remember in great detail that some had problems on release. However a cursory glance at, say, the Bioware forums on release of NWN2 and the 'Poly Civ4 forums from release of Civ4 will show the difference.

I'm not getting drawn into a debate about whether Civ4 is the paragon of gaming performance, but to suggest a similar level of problems across the two games seems wrong to me.

[Stuie]

Originally posted by DrSpike
I remember in great detail that some had problems on release. However a cursory glance at, say, the Bioware forums on release of NWN2 and the 'Poly Civ4 forums from release of Civ4 will show the difference.

It was 100x worse at that *other* Civ site. The NWN2 forums remind me of the goings-on over there when Civ4 was released - but that's why I came to 'poly then, so I could actually discuss the game instead of listening to a bunch of whining. And that's why I've been going to Octopus Overlords now - they are actually talking about the game.

And I was being facetious with my "Spikey said so" comment.

[DrSpike]

What tickles me is that there seems to be a debate - no one shall suppress it! All are entitled to post their view, it's just that anyone that has a view different to the one I posted is, of course, entirely wrong.