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  • #46
    The trade-offs aren't always even though. For example with the leg upgrades
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    You can get the walk quietly upgrade, in which case you can sneak up behind people while running, or you can get the fast run, in which case you can sneak up behind people as though you were running by crouching or run extremely fast.

    Another example is
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    healing any damage you receive versus getting less damage from radiation. Why would anyone choose to receive less damage - useful in only a fraction of situations rather than healing from anything?
    I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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    • #47
      Originally posted by ravagon
      You can do it in the very beginning. During character creation you start off with a skill in handguns which you can downgrade. That's it though AFAIK.
      That doesn't count, however, as you don't get to take advantage of your high handguns skill before downgrading them.
      I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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      • #48
        Yeah, the biggest problem with the game is that your upgrades aren't balanced at all. In each slot, there is usually one choice that is clearly better.
        "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
        "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Skanky Burns

          Another example is
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          healing any damage you receive versus getting less damage from radiation. Why would anyone choose to receive less damage - useful in only a fraction of situations rather than healing from anything?
          I've often wondered if there was anybody who'd ever taken the 'other' option in this case. Other than accidentally of course.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Skanky Burns

            That doesn't count, however, as you don't get to take advantage of your high handguns skill before downgrading them.
            In that case the only thing I can think of where it might've occurred is the old 'upgrade - stuff it up - reload - forget to upgrade' problem ...

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            • #51
              Originally posted by ravagon
              I've often wondered if there was anybody who'd ever taken the 'other' option in this case. Other than accidentally of course.
              Me , since the preferred option makes the game boring, just like hacking. I don't use hacking except in the above mentioned non violent run, when it is absolutely needed.

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              • #52
                Pretty cool session last night... Took the subway back to Battery Park and had a date with Anna Navarre...

                She wasn't too keen to see me, so I had to take her apart... She was partly transparent; an augmentation I suppose? Nice, but it didn't help...

                Günther on the other hand... A tough nut to crack, but maybe that's not necessary? After "dying" I woke up in a cell, stripped of everything... Nice twist!

                Once I've played the game through, there are quite a few things I'd like to try... For example, is it possible to take out Günther and the UNATCO troopers/bots? What happens with the storyline in that case? Or if I kill Paul before he comes clean (maybe he hasn't yet?)? Hm...

                Carolus

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                • #53
                  There actually isn't much variation depending on your choices.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by DrSpike
                    There actually isn't much variation depending on your choices.
                    The great thing about Deus Ex is that it gives you that illusion ... the first time you play it.

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                    • #55
                      Yes, I've noticed...

                      After Paul's briefing in Hangar 747 I thought I would make a choice later on about which side to take... Not so, it seems...

                      As blood is thicker than ambrosia I would have sided with him anyway!

                      Carolus

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by ravagon
                        I've often wondered if there was anybody who'd ever taken the 'other' option in this case. Other than accidentally of course.
                        The first time I played I chose
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                        radiation protection rather than healing. In the radiation-flooded room in Paris, for instance, even with this upgrade going my character died very very quickly. With the health upgrade going, he lasted much much longer - and this was in a specific situation where the first upgrade should have been much better.
                        I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Skanky Burns


                          The first time I played I chose
                          Spoiler:
                          radiation protection rather than healing. In the radiation-flooded room in Paris, for instance, even with this upgrade going my character died very very quickly. With the health upgrade going, he lasted much much longer - and this was in a specific situation where the first upgrade should have been much better.
                          Spoiler:
                          With a fully upgraded environmental protection you don't take any damage in that room at 20 unit/minute. Regeneration costs 120 units/minute.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Nacht

                            Spoiler:
                            With a fully upgraded environmental protection you don't take any damage in that room at 20 unit/minute. Regeneration costs 120 units/minute.
                            The per minute aug cost though can be greatly reduced with another aug.
                            Additionally you need the former fully upgraded.


                            CR: Gunther is immortal at that point. Bots and troopers aren't though.
                            You can take them out and run away from Hermann, jumping over the barricades somehow, but it can screw the game up as you aren't 'supposed' to be able to do that.
                            AFAIK Paul is immortal everywhere.

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                            • #59
                              Hm...

                              First mission in Hong Kong... I've wiped the place clean and I've entered Flight Control deck 1...

                              Only to find a locked "plate" I have to open and I'm out of lock-picks...

                              Carolus

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Carolus Rex
                                Hm...

                                First mission in Hong Kong... I've wiped the place clean and I've entered Flight Control deck 1...

                                Only to find a locked "plate" I have to open and I'm out of lock-picks...

                                Carolus
                                Shoot it.

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