Multiplayer Strategy Guide 2nd Version

[Gavrushka]

Originally posted by Dimytes
Could you please create a "flame Paul thread" so I don't have to check this thread for new strategy info everytime just to find that someone has posted a rant about Paul?

©Dimytes 2004

Apologies Dimytes.. BUT I did consider it strategy, the way people play by the rules, or otherwise is part of the strategy people use. Point taken however..

Okay strategy..

When do people consider it time to build caravans?? Considering they have a lengthy construction time, and can interfere with civ growth and development?

My suggestion is as follows.. A Settler churn to around 25 cities is necessary, using ships and warriors to locate best sites for new cities, looking for double and triple monos.. After a city has built a granary and an aquaduct (and nothing else) I place city onto Caravan churn until Mills.. I usually in this time have 4 or 5 double monos available, and carefully make sure I have trade goods in other cities to complete that Mono. I let (apart from early cities) trade cities grow with no more than one settler out. If a city has less than four turns to out a Caravan when I get Mills, then I build the Mill after that Caravan, otherwise it is straight to Mills. I max prod (still allowing some growth) in the Mill cities. My science at Mills, it usually around 1,000, and raises to around 1,300 when I complete any unbuilt markets and banks.. I ALWAYS go for Banks before Mills, as it gives me sufficient gold to start purchasing things when I really NEED to. I build a few ships, and have Commie as my Factories are coming out.. Then it is war.. Always war.. Kill crush and destroy.

PBEM pollutes your game, it makes you play differently.. Don't think so much.. I goosed up a game with Mathemamagician this way. But two games against Blackice online have put me right.. I kept it Basic, I did not alter my overall Strategy for external pressures (like my trade cities being bombarded by SOLS) .

[Mathemagician]

what did you goose up in our game, gav ?

i think you are being too generic in the game setting assumptions here.
what if you have a few goods world ? you would need to spread out with the ship/warrior/settler strategy way too far to defend yourself in order to get all the trade goods you want.
what if you play on a small world ? have a strong AI neighbor who is hassling you on one side, wide unexplored ocean on the other ?

okay, lets keep it to the settings of our game: gigantic world, peaceful exploration, many trade goods.
as for caravans, i build them after aqueducts too, IF i dont have mills yet. if i do, however, i usually build the mills first. i try to build one trade center (at least double mono) up early though.
if i find a triple mono and have already expanded a bit, i build this city up as a trade center immediately. if it is a trade good on terrain where i can build medium fisheries or farms and i have those, i maximize food in this city with infrastructure and start building marketplace and then bank right away, no granary, aqueduct, mill or settler. those buildings come later, triple trade cities never build settlers.

as for bank, i try to get the maximum out of the ultra-efficient warrior unit, so i go to bureaucracy (and thus banking) rather late. the more warriors you have for scouting and emergency defense versus barbarians, the less other military you need early on, thus more ressources for expansion.

another little thing: in cities with few food tiles, but rather mountain with trade good or such, i sometimes build aqueduct before granary to speed up the total growth effect. the granary will usually be finished before the city grows anyway.
for example if you really want one city location, which will allow the city to grow once you can cut the forest and build farms size 2 with AR, but where the city wont grow before that, this is the way.

another strategy that im exploring currently, is to set 2 or 3 cities at the late stage of the theocracy expansion phase to grow and build research buildings. later on these can give you some extra science.

basically, the key is adaption and diversification, as opposed to what my friend Dimytes seems to prefer.

[Gavrushka]

I cannot answer what I goosed Maths.. I could have been more generous and say I was totally outplayed!

Yeh I do the aqua first when I cannot purchase granary in time.. I did that last night a lot in the game against Blackice...

You have to remember I play on a very narrow group of settings, and so my strategy is inflexible..

I don't know if I am just an arrogant Brit with a hole in my pride.. On line I seem to be able to beat almost everyone, or at least play a tight and close game.. In PBEM you are what? An age (in science) ahead of me? That has never happened to me before.. NEVER!

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by Gavrushka
I don't know if I am just an arrogant Brit with a hole in my pride..

who say that ?
who ?

Originally posted by Gavrushka
On line I seem to be able to beat almost everyone, or at least play a tight and close game..

if just my online game was working and i had time..

Originally posted by Gavrushka
In PBEM you are what? An age (in science) ahead of me? That has never happened to me before.. NEVER!

hehe. quite a lot, but not a full age.

[filix]

PW

I always use 100% of my production for Pw after mills or factories. For some turns till i get all my roads, mines,...

I dont build much roads or railway just at the really nessesary hexes.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Gavrushka
..

I don't know if I am just an arrogant Brit with a Butthole known as pride.. On line I seem to be able to beat almost every lowlife American infidel.., or at least play a tight and close game.. I am a direct descendant of General Sir Bernard Law Montgomery..In PBEM you are what? A Pimple on my Beautiful British @r$e (in science Buttocks British Maximus Spreadius Wideus) ahead of me or behind me mark the spot I am British @r$e all over!! That has never happened to me before.. NEVER! For I am Britain GREAT Britain..hear me Roar!!

Well Put Gav...Well put!!

Ok..I dont wanna argue with you so I agree with your quote..I am amazed you are so honest..but it is good AND refreshing!!

Peace

Grandpa "Political Press Officer of Trolldom "Troll

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Gavrushka
I cannot answer what I goosed; Maths..um..well..all of Math looked good.... I could have been more generous and say I was totally playing the field..!

But alas..I had to leave Apolyton for I couldnt leave the sheepalone
!

Its Ok Gav..glad your back

But remember

NO MEANS NO!!!!

(Hugs Gav..hoping wont be misunderstood!!)

Ok Gav enjoy your Motorcycle ride with..um..your furry friend!



Peace

Grandpa "Too much time on my hands" Troll

EDIT: NO ANIMALS OR HUMANS WERE SPARED HUMILITATION IN THIS MONTH PYTHON PARODY!!

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
and 'ere is a pictjer of me 'n my frentz. d'ya recognyz ma ?

Grandpa Troll has attached this image:

not exactly.
who on the picture are you ?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Mathemagician


not exactly.
who on the picture are you ? I am the one on bottom ..well...right..I was on bottom where I feel most comfortable

Oh..I am sorry Math...for a moment I thought you were one of my buddies..

Ok..NOW I understand you more!!

GT

[Mathemagician]

just followed your approved tradition of faking quotes.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Mathemagician
just followed your Excellent tradition of formulating quotes. Quotes i say that fearless Leaders will use whilst tending to national Affairs and International Hobnobbing of which even the Moderators herein have never been a witness too

\\Its your fault if you keep feeding me..

Ok..oh yes the Strategy..of CTP Multiplaying..

hmm



Now How can i tie this post in..

Ok..

In order for Trolldom to grow..

Make plenty of Grassland cities and river cities

GENIUS I SAY

Ok..now we are back on topic!!


[almsot that is!!
]

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
\\It was a fine move of yours feeding hungry troll..

YOU'RE A GENIUS I SAY

Ok..now we are back on topic!! you're the genius of multiplaying strategy.

you're sooo kind to me.

[Mathemagician]

finally my MP game works.
thanks blackice !
now if you could help me figure out how to play over LAN.

playing with Gavrushka, Blackice and Azrael yesterday night.
i learned something called "pathtracking". if you have a ship with an active unit aboard and drag the mouse cursor into unexplored area, you will see a short green line if the cursor passes over land, instead of the usual yellow line.
this way you can spot land more easily. not the size of it though, as there will always be just one green line element.
no wonder these guys prefer to play newbies like me on all-ocean worlds. LOL
still i cant wait to see how this game goes on. got a slight lead in PG over Gav.

[Gavrushka]

Math.. Ice (who is still banned) had the saves checked... You were using the mine under city trick.. No one else was.. And Stephan, myself and Ice agree we had said no tricks.

You kept mentioning farm under city trick and even though this was said not to be used you did in fairness say you were going to use it.. On an Island game this is not such a big thing.. BUT mine under city is a game breaker.. It gives about a 25% hike in prod for size 3 cities working two ocean one mountain.

Myself, Stephan and Ice feel a little disappointed.

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by Gavrushka
You kept mentioning farm under city trick and even though this was said not to be used you did in fairness say you were going to use it..

Myself, Stephan and Ice feel a little disappointed.

Gav, i asked 3 times during the game whether we were going to use it as this game was one of multiple restarts of a game where we originally agreed to use it.
i got no clear answer whatsoever that we did NOT use it. only "i dont care. i wont use it."
thats why i clearly said "i will use it unless someone objects". still no one objected, so i used it.

i expected exactly this to happen. thats why i bugged you so long with asking. if you want someone to stick to a rule you should state that rule when specifically asked about it and not just ignore the question.

if you feel disappointed, please not about me.