Multiplayer Strategy Guide 2nd Version

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Mathemagician
so, blackice, to strengthen your point, you should show us where paul admitted that he cheated.
a quote and a link would be nice.

We are awaiting a judges decision...the point should be awarded to Master Mathemagician...but "Blackbelt" Blackice my have the point after all

[blackice]

Mathemagician and others new to this er old conversation, all the top GL guys used this trick to win games. Few knew about it we PBEMER's knew something was up and kept digging. It was Paul that finally told quinn what he and the others including filix were doing to defeat anyone not in the loop.

Thats' the begining but what we know now is the ramping and the rest was never disclosed at the same time. meaning while some of these guys pretended to come clean they kept more exploits back to continue to defeat opponents. I ask how can one be called honest and not a cheat under those curcumstances?

My personal opinion is they cheated, continued to cheat and we say it is ok? They continue to come up with more use it against people to claim the victory, then brag about it. Tis that fair play?

Here I hope still we post em as we find them so everything is on the up and up and no one person or clic has an unfair advantage. If not we call it cheating so why do we split the hairs with paul? He cheated and as far as some are concerned still does.

Now some say he never cheats? never did... Ok people have a right to thier own opinion...

[Mathemagician]

okay blackice, from the standpoint of a new player, IF all you say is true, then sure it is cheating. but if you want us new players as listeners, you should indeed bring some proof. if not, continue arguing with the old players.

as a general definition,
as i see it, using a bug without knowing it is one is okay, as there is no complete listing of what specific actions that are absolutely possible are actually forbidden. so you cant blame someone for using what he found that works. if there is such a listing it really should be linked to at every relevant thread.

secondly, assuming something is banned, but not asking, is suspicious, but cannot really be proven to be intentious and, thus, cheating.

once you are told however, that the community agreed to ban something, if you continue to do it, it becomes cheating. no questions asked.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by blackice
Mathemagician and others new to this er old conversation, all the top GL guys used this trick to win games. Few knew about it we PBEMER's knew something was up and kept digging. It was Paul that finally told quinn what he and the others including filix were doing to defeat anyone not in the loop.

Thats' the begining but what we know now is the ramping and the rest was never disclosed at the same time. meaning while some of these guys pretended to come clean they kept more exploits back to continue to defeat opponents. I ask how can one be called honest and not a cheat under those curcumstances?

My personal opinion is they cheated, continued to cheat and we say it is ok? They continue to come up with more use it against people to claim the victory, then brag about it. Tis that fair play?

Here I hope still we post em as we find them so everything is on the up and up and no one person or clic has an unfair advantage. If not we call it cheating so why do we split the hairs with paul? He cheated and as far as some are concerned still does.

Now some say he never cheats? never did... Ok people have a right to thier own opinion...

Asking for a scoring decison on behalf of Blackice of Canadian Team of Experts:

Like the man said.....

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Mathemagician
okay blackice, from the standpoint of a new player, IF all you say is true, then sure it is cheating. but if you want us new players as listeners, you should indeed bring some proof. if not, continue arguing with the old players.

not exactly so Math

as you see..he has not posted his proof..but..~ahem~ he has your attention!!! & U R SURELY LISTENING


Peace

GT

[Maquiladora]

This kind of reminds me of people using Rushbuy bug and farms under cities bugs in secret CtP2 GL (altho its not like you could *hide* the farms under the cities but still...)

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll


not exactly so Math

as you see..he has not posted his proof..but..~ahem~ he has your attention!!! & U R SURELY LISTENING

LOL
youre right. i should have said "if you want us new players to believe you"

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Maquiladora
This kind of reminds me of people using Rushbuy bug and farms under cities bugs in secret CtP2 GL (altho its not like you could *hide* the farms under the cities but still...)

Thats exactly where we are headed..L-O-S-E-R-V-I-L-L-E..IF YA DONT ALL STOP YER DAMN CHEATING..

(HIKING PANTS UP SHOWING mR. jOHNSON'S OUTLINE!! )

No more cheats...yu want a farm under a city..go to Green acres..ok?

Not in CTP...

Now (pushes glasses up nose) r-we-clear here?

GT

[blackice]

Maquiladora exactly and that brought down not only the GL but the pbem side too. I remeber following those threads and watching CTP gl's deny it could be done in CTP.

[Mathemagician]

if it looks like a duck,
walks like a duck,
quacks like a duck,
you still have to make sure is not some child with some cardboard-beak and amazing vocal imitation skills, before you decide to shoot it.

[blackice]

Good points Math you see in GL it was posted and part of the rules that no game exploits and or bugs as they are called were to be used. That makes it cheating does it not?

They knew they knew all to well many heated arguement in the GL threads about this topic. The end result the largest CTP gaming network was brought to it's knees because of cheating and mistrust. A total shame for the few cheaters who only had one thing in mind. To be the best at any cost. Even when the game site moderators saw and knew the cheating was going on they ignored it until it was too late. Many files and game saves were sent to them, Kent Wang definately comes to mind. They knew this sellect group of people were using these exploits to win game after game on unsuspecting opponents. They fudged on the ruling and then back tracked by then it was too late.

In fact I think activison reps even made a call on it.

We servived all that here in PBEM by making rules and enforcing them with moderators. Not many cheats moved this way for they knew they would be caught.



Math you child? cute

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by blackice
Good points Math you see in GL it was posted and part of the rules that no game exploits and or bugs as they are called were to be used. That makes it cheating does it not?

Math you child? cute

Well..Mr Blackice the Enforcer has his arm around you Math..you longhaired hippy liberal..


answer HIM!!


NOW!!

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by blackice
Good points Math you see in GL it was posted and part of the rules that no game exploits and or bugs as they are called were to be used. That makes it cheating does it not?

sure. but
1.) what is GL ?
2.) "game exploit" is something that you need to define case by case. you cannot expect all players to interpret "game exploit" the same way.

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
Math..you longhaired hippy liberal..
answer HIM!!
NOW!!

oh, sorry. of course.

Originally posted by blackice
Math you child? cute

no its neither my child nor me.
just got the picture from somewhere in the net.
where do you get all those pictures from, troll ?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Mathemagician


sure. but
1.) what is GL ?
2.) "game exploit" is something that you need to define case by case. you cannot expect all players to interpret "game exploit" the same way.

#1-GL=Game League

#2-Kinda like "laws of the land" They have been defined here and a multitude of times..

I am one of old timers here..and at CTP..what Blackice is speaking of is common sense..
A person would know that the game didnt ship with the expressed desire to "write slic" to give an unfair advantage..be it gold or pw crack..thats BU[[${-}!T when someone does it....

I have seen saved game files and mighty suspicious goings on...




BUT the point here is this math..we are talking about blantant abuse...

Hope this clears it up 4 u?