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  • despite the fact we've had a gripping and brilliant come-back from the US



    Yes, it's really thrilling to see a team robbed of a brilliant comeback win by goddawful officiating.

    It's an embarassment that you couldn't beat England. :sad:



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    • I really find it weird how lackadaisical the Spanish appeared knowing, as they must have, that their group is very likely to be decided on goal difference.

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      • maybe the pressure of knowing just that got to them a little. still terrible finishing from them though.
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        • Actually I made a mistake. Since they play Chile last two goals were just good enough. Even a one goal victory in the final group match will net them a better goal difference than the Chileans.

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          • Trouble onboard S/S Englandic?

            England divided: how Terry tried to organise coup against Capello

            ...

            Instead, the circumstances gave Terry his chance to even the score with a man who, having once ruled with an iron fist, was now at his lowest ebb since becoming England manager. It was with the polished diplomacy of a master politician, rather than a Premier League footballer, that Terry stuck the knife in.

            He started innocuously enough, claiming he was there "on behalf of the team" and was "not going to question the manager". Terry said: "All I can say is we're all fully behind him. Since the manager's come in he has had his ways and his philosophies and his ideas that he's brought to the side, and it's worked in the campaign. So nothing should change there. We shouldn't be looking at excuses or to criticise the manager."

            The performance against Algeria was, he said, "totally unacceptable". He invoked the example of the 1990 World Cup finals when the England team drew their first two games against the Republic of Ireland and the Netherlands and still went on to have a successful tournament. If they failed against Slovenia on Wednesday he promised, to be "the first out the dressing room" to take responsibility.

            "We really need to go out there [against Slovenia] and just think: 'Sod it, we've got one game where we can make or break our tournament.' It's been five weeks that I've been away from my family and I've come here to win this tournament. I don't want to go home on Wednesday. I'm here to win it."

            So far, so good. But then, very subtly, the tone of Terry's words started to change. The promises to challenge Capello's authority became ever bolder and he projected himself as the key figure in the England dressing room rather than Capello.

            Asked whether the players could have a discussion with Capello about tactics, Terry struck. He said: "We have done in the past, and will do if we feel it needs to be done. We've got a meeting tonight to watch the game and see where we went wrong. As a group of players, we owe it to ourselves and to everyone in the country that, if we feel there's a problem, there's no point in keeping it in. If we have an argument with the manager and it upsets him – us expressing our opinions – everyone needs to get it off his chest. That's exactly what we'll do."

            That was Terry's first shot across the bows of Capello's regime. Asked whether he still felt like the leader of the team he shot back "100 per cent ... No one will take that away from me. I was born to do stuff like that". Again on Capello and the meeting last night he again laid down a challenge to his manager. "Everyone needs to voice their opinion. If it upsets him [Capello] or any other player, so what?"

            By the time Terry took his seat with the newspaper reporters he was in full flow. He revealed that a group of players led by him had petitioned Capello's chief aide, the general manager Franco Baldini, to let them drink a beer in the hotel after the game against Algeria. Terry said: "I don't want to say it was me but I went to see Franco after the game and said, 'Look, let everyone have a beer and speak to the manager. Flipping hell, let's just switch off'."

            With every little detail, Terry was undermining the framework of Capello's carefully constructed authority. In February when he was sacked as captain, all the power was concentrated on Capello, the man who had led England to the World Cup after their Euro 2008 qualifying failure. Fast-forward four months and it is Terry in the position of power. Capello is on the brink of a humiliating World Cup exit and with three of his four first-choice centre-backs out of Wednesday's game he needs Terry more than ever.

            Terry became ever more indiscreet. "You don't see the side of him [Capello] storming around the dressing room kicking and throwing things," Terry said. "He shows that real passion." Was that a compliment or a criticism? Later he said that Capello had been "more relaxed" in recent days, making small-talk with him over the vineyard he had visited on his day off on Saturday.

            Then we were back to the meeting again. "The manager has organised it like we normally do. Two days after [the game] we'll go through the video," Terry said. "We are in a meeting with the manager, whether he starts it or finishes it, the players can say how they feel and if it upsets him then I'm on the verge of just saying: 'You know what? So what? I'm here to win it for England'.

            "He's feeling the same, the players are feeling the same and if we can't be honest with each other then there's no point in us being here. It's the same at Chelsea. I might say something to Carlo [Ancelotti] in a meeting in front of the players that he doesn't like, but we walk out of the meeting and it's forgotten.

            "You can't hold grudges. I'm doing the best for Chelsea, if I say something [in the meeting] – and I probably will and a few others will – then I'm doing the best for England. As I said before, I'm doing it for my country."

            By the end, Terry, normally a fairly hesitant performer in press conferences, was speaking fluently and confidently. He had judged that he could take liberties with a wounded Capello but he had not reckoned with the reaction of his team-mates.

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            • One of my facebook friends posted this as their Facebook status:

              The England team visited an orphanage in Cape Town today. "It's heartbreaking to see their sad little faces with no hope" said Jamal aged 6.

              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • We won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                Wow!!!!! Right at the end of the game!!! Wow!!!!

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                • Anglo-American conspiracy

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                  • What a Miracle Goal!! US was knocking at the door ALL MATCH long and should have put in 3, and just when it looked like the US was going home, Donovan with the winner!



                    I'm so happy!!
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                    • I'm so happy for the US! What an amazing game!
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                      • Talk about dramatic
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                        • Imran, just so you know I blatantly plagiarized that Facebook update.
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                          • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                            What a Miracle Goal!! US was knocking at the door ALL MATCH long and should have put in 3, and just when it looked like the US was going home, Donovan with the winner!



                            I'm so happy!!
                            That's what cup competitions are all about...
                            You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                            • England through, US through. Man, order is restored in the universe.
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                              • Originally posted by Krill View Post
                                That's what cup competitions are all about...
                                So US-Slovenia was a damn good game. This match ended with high drama. Have we Americans been blessed to have entertaining games while the rest of the tournament is pretty lame, or are the rest of the games this good?
                                Last edited by OzzyKP; June 23, 2010, 13:31.
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