AHL- Apolyton Hockey League 07/08: VI They brought their ****in' toys with 'em!

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher
I don't think any of the other keepers are worth picking up and I didn't want to lose who I had now. Fleury is supposed to be back from injury "any day now" as well.

hmmm- since you are 16 points out of a playoff spot with only a few weeks to go I would have thought you would have needed to try to address your goalie problem earlier so as not to automatically surrender those 6 points a week .. . Its difficult for me to think that every single one of your players is too good to give up

Jason Blake for instance--has one pont and is minus 3 over his last seven games. any warm body that actually got you a goalie game would have helped you a lot more than him

[Ben Kenobi]

Actually, that makes no sense whatsoever. Why would they have more points without the shootout, which awards BONUS points?

More points relative to the other teams.

Take away the shootout, that's 8 points taken away from the Canuck's opponents.

The Canucks btw have yet to lose in overtime, a fact I'm surprised you haven't brought up. That bodes well for their playoff preparation.

You don't seem to comprehend what a strength & conditioning coach is. Hint: It has nothing to do with goaltending, and everything to do with, well, strength and conditioning.

Strength and conditioning includes Goalies, as well as other positions.

Luongo has been better this year, that's not up for debate, but I think you grossly overestimate the capacity of Luongo and underestimate Kiprusoff. Kiprusoff has had an off year, Luongo has had a good year. They are both elite goaltenders.

I've seen Kipper at his best last year, and last year Calgary was a better team then this year. They are weaker then they were a year ago at this time.

Calgary has outscored their opposition.

Have they? Check out the numbers again.

If we were to go back to when the records reflected the way that a team plays, Calgary would be a .500 team. The Canucks would be about 3 or 4 games over.

They played one more game and are 2pts ahead of Vancouver. You act like there's a world of difference between these teams, but their records are virtually spitting images of eachother in the standings. The one major difference between the two teams is Vancouver's team has gotten worse since they've gotten injury problems, while Calgary's gotten better with the addition of Vandermere.

The Canuck's injury problems have passed. They are back, and their 4 game winning streak indicates this.

If Kipper continues his improvement in play, Calgary will be ok. If he slumps again, all bets are off.

I think you overestimate how tough the NW division is. Edmonton is a terrible team this year, the only reason they aren't behind Calgary by 20+ points is by being insanely good in the shootouts.

Calgary is being kept afloat by SO points too. Take away the shootout and they would both be where they are, but they would be well behind the pack.

They are a terrible team, subjectively or objectively, because they can't win games in regulation or OT.

I would challenge your perception of them. They are a good and competitive team, otherwise they wouldn't keep the score tied throughout regulation and OT.

I think if you discount shootouts, they're the worst team in the league right now. And really, any non-playoff team is a crap team, so being at the bottom of the barrel means you are definitely crap.

I'll remember that in case Kipper slumps again.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Flubber


hmmm- since you are 16 points out of a playoff spot with only a few weeks to go I would have thought you would have needed to try to address your goalie problem earlier so as not to automatically surrender those 6 points a week .. . Its difficult for me to think that every single one of your players is too good to give up

Jason Blake for instance--has one pont and is minus 3 over his last seven games. any warm body that actually got you a goalie game would have helped you a lot more than him

I don't know if you've noticed but I'm very lazy at this point in this game, I've somewhat lost interest past putting the players I've got in proper spots. I don't care enough to see who is available and who to drop, I've been busy and I'm in too many pools to care too much about this one. I didn't like picking first overall and it's bit me in the ass the whole season, and it's a mistake I'll never make again.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
More points relative to the other teams.

Take away the shootout, that's 8 points taken away from the Canuck's opponents.

The Canucks btw have yet to lose in overtime, a fact I'm surprised you haven't brought up. That bodes well for their playoff preparation.

I don't think it has any bearing, because they aren't very apt in being able to score in OT either. Luongo is good, but you need to score to take OT and Vancouver can't do that very well.

Vancouver has won only 3 games in the OT period, in 17 appearances. I think you overstate Vancouver's prowess in OT.

Strength and conditioning includes Goalies, as well as other positions.

Yes, but you missed the point. It has nothing to do with the skill of the goalie, it has more to do with general fitness and resilience.

I've seen Kipper at his best last year, and last year Calgary was a better team then this year. They are weaker then they were a year ago at this time.

I strongly disagree that Calgary was better last year. They couldn't win at all on the road last year and had a BRUTAL coach and psyche as a result of that. I think this year's team is much better.

Have they? Check out the numbers again.

Yes, they most certainly have. Why don't you check the numbers instead of being a douche and telling me to check it when I very clearly have?

If we were to go back to when the records reflected the way that a team plays, Calgary would be a .500 team. The Canucks would be about 3 or 4 games over.

Huh?

The Canuck's injury problems have passed. They are back, and their 4 game winning streak indicates this.

Did you notice that Calgary is also on a 4 game winning streak, out of curiosity?

If Kipper continues his improvement in play, Calgary will be ok. If he slumps again, all bets are off. [/quote]
Calgary's a playoff team even with Kipper's slump all year. This point doesn't make any sense.

Calgary is being kept afloat by SO points too. Take away the shootout and they would both be where they are, but they would be well behind the pack.

Huh? Calgary has all of 3 points from the shootout, they would not be well behind the pack. Vancouver has 6 points. I don't think you even know this, but Vancouver is fourth in the league in shootout wins. Calgary is 19th. Which of these teams benefits most out the shootouts?

I'll remember that in case Kipper slumps again.

Huh? Again, you make no sense at all.

Kipper was <0.900 all season until last game. He was averaging 34th in the league in sv%. Even with this, Calgary was a playoff team.

Calgary does not rely on Kiprusoff this season anywhere near to the degree that Vancouver relies on Luongo, and they are now even less dependent on Kiprusoff since Calgary -- unlike Vancouver -- has a capable backup.

[Asher]

BTW Ben, you may want to check the standings.

Calgary is now the NW division leader and is third seed. Vancouver is 7th seed. I think you should now comprehend how close these teams are, and your perception that Vancouver is a "Frontrunner" among all of them is detached from reality.

[Asher]

Ben, for your edification...excluding shootout bonus points, here's what the NW standings would look like:

Calgary: 71 (w/ SO: 74)
Minnesota: 70 (w/ SO: 73)
Vancouver: 66 (w/ SO: 72)
Colorado: 62 (w/ SO: 66)
Edmonton: 47 (w/ SO: 59)

(See? Edmonton is a crappy team. And Vancouver is helped a lot by the shootout.)

Here's how the Flames are doing lately, since I'm sure you don't pay attention:

Calgary has won four straight - including three in a row over division leaders - and six of eight. The Flames have beaten Minnesota four straight times.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm well aware, and I notice you are very selective in what you choose to cite and not.

I was wondering whether you would say "Vancouver and Calgary are equal" when they had played the same number of games, and had identical records. Nope, not a word.

Instead, you think it's more representative when they win, while the Canucks still have a game on hand.

Yes, they played well, so has Vancouver.

I'd love to hear you say that based on all the stats, they are a stronger team then Calgary. Honestly, they are, and if they win one more, the Canucks will be on top of the NW division having played equal games to Calgary and Minnesota.

As for your list? Vancouver is hurt more then they are helped. They have a much better record in all other games then Shootouts. Yes, they lose 6 points, but they are only 6-8. I hardly think you would say that was the sign of a strong shootout team.

The reason they have more points associated with shootouts is because they tend to have more overtime games, not because shootouts are generous to the Canucks.

Anyways, enough sniping. I'm glad Calgary won because that restores us to our rightful position on top of the NW division with another win.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I'm well aware, and I notice you are very selective in what you choose to cite and not.

I was wondering whether you would say "Vancouver and Calgary are equal" when they had played the same number of games, and had identical records. Nope, not a word.

Instead, you think it's more representative when they win, while the Canucks still have a game on hand.

Yes, they played well, so has Vancouver.

I'd love to hear you say that based on all the stats, they are a stronger team then Calgary. Honestly, they are, and if they win one more, the Canucks will be on top of the NW division having played equal games to Calgary and Minnesota.

Huhhh? I don't think the stats say Vancouver is the better team. I think the stats show them to be on equal footing, statistically. The Canucks do hold claim to being the lowest-scoring team in the NW division, though.

I don't think you understand how the system works. First, Vancouver and Minnesota have equal GP, Calgary has 1 more.
Second, if Vancouver wins their next game they pull into a tie with Calgary for division lead, they do not take it.

As for your list? Vancouver is hurt more then they are helped. They have a much better record in all other games then Shootouts. Yes, they lose 6 points, but they are only 6-8. I hardly think you would say that was the sign of a strong shootout team.

They are 4th in the league in shootout wins. Make of that what you will...

Anyways, enough sniping. I'm glad Calgary won because that restores us to our rightful position on top of the NW division with another win.

No, it does not. What do you not comprehend here?

Vancouver is 2 points back of Calgary with 1 game in hand. The best Vancouver can hope for is another win to give them a tie with Calgary. Vancouver doesn't get 3 points for winning just 'cause they're Vancouver!

[notyoueither]

The Canucks win a tie breaker due to head-to-head record.

[Asher]

We'll get to that when there's no games left. Canucks got lucky that so many of there games vs Calgary were early in the season when the Flames were terrible.

[notyoueither]

Well, they're ahead 8 to 3 in head to head points.

If the Flames win all 3 in RT (2 of the games in Vancouver) GD doesn't come into it. If GD comes into it the Canucks have a bit of an edge as things stand.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher


I don't know if you've noticed but I'm very lazy at this point in this game, I've somewhat lost interest past putting the players I've got in proper spots. I don't care enough to see who is available and who to drop, I've been busy and I'm in too many pools to care too much about this one. I didn't like picking first overall and it's bit me in the ass the whole season, and it's a mistake I'll never make again.

This explanation makes more sense. Its pretty easy to understand that you stopped paying attention once you were unlikley to make the playoffs.

Saying you wanted to 'keep your players' didn't make much sense with the likes of Blame on your roster

[Flubber]

Calgary this year?

I do now see them as a slight upgrade on last year's version. Nolan was a good add in many ways and the D now is probably as good as last year's.

The biggest difference in this year's squad and last year's is Kipper. Last year calgary won game after game even when badly outplayed due to Kipper's heroics. There were LOTS of games that the FLames had no business winning.

This year Kipper has been decidely NOT been great and I have witnessed several games where the Flames outplayed the opposition badly but got outplayed at the goalie spot and lost as a result. The fact that the Flames have a reasonable record despite this is a testament to some of their good play.

Kipper seems back now with some EXCELLENT recent results. If we get an excellent Kipper combined with the good offense of a few weeks back, the Flames could be a force. But unfortunately the Flames seem to be reverting to the offensive play of last year so there are still a lot of what if`s

But

1. regehr-Sarich have become a decent duo
2. Phaeuf is making fewer mistakes and has shown an edge
3. Kipper is showing he may be back
4. IN Joseph the Flames have the best back-up they have had in years

My biggest fears around the Flames revolve around their forwards. Will Huselius continue to be the invisible man--Will Iggy carry the team-- can Tanguay continue his good play of late-- Can they trade Conroy for a bag of pucks--

So not a great team but so far one that has been offensively better than last year-- With Kipper tightening ip they have the potential to be decent defensively-- So overall a better team than last year


Vancouver-- I have not really seen enough to judge-- I recall one game against the Flames where they fully deserved the win and another where the Flames totally dominated but Luongo was the difference-- Other than that I see a team where I am impressed they could win at all with their injury woes but I stil wonder where the scoring will come from

[Asher]

Ethan Moreau...self-inflicted injury, again.

His brother is Edmonton's strength and conditioning coach.

[Ninot]

Nothing here about Sundin yet? Where's Tingkai?

Sundin Guaranteeing more years of this lovely cupless streak