Tweet
I agree that it's Notre Dame's fault. They hired both Davie and Willingham, both of whom did their level best to run the program into the ground.
-
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891 -
At least Willingham recruited Quinn and Samardjza (however you spell his name)
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
-
Yeh, but he was too busy trying to improve his handicap to follow up that class. The 2004 class (this year's seniors, only 7 remain in the class) was the killer -- ranked 30th by Scouts. The 2005 class (this year's juniors) was not much better with the effort that Willingham left Weis -- ranked 27th by Scouts. Add in a couple of ranking spots for big program preference. This year we stand at 74 scholarship players, 11 short.
But of course, in the end, it's Notre Dame's fault for hiring a middling coach in the first place. I can only guess that those involved in the hiring didn't know their football -- didn't love the game.
To me as a fan, despite the losses this year, I have confidence that Weis has stanched the heavy bleeding in the program and is putting us on an excellent trajectory.Last edited by DanS; September 24, 2007, 01:51.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
-
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
-
Wasn't Weis hired in 2004?Originally posted by DanS
The 2005 class (this year's juniors) was not much better with the effort that Willingham left Weis -- ranked 27th by Scouts.Comment
-
The amusing part is that Willingham's team at Washington is looking very nice, especially for the future. And frosh QB Locher may be better then ND's Claussen.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
-
Even with those "poor" recruiting classes, shouldn't they be around the 30th best team in the country?Originally posted by DanS
Yeh, but he was too busy trying to improve his handicap to follow up that class. The 2004 class (this year's seniors, only 7 remain in the class) was the killer -- ranked 30th by Scouts. The 2005 class (this year's juniors) was not much better with the effort that Willingham left Weis -- ranked 27th by Scouts. Add in a couple of ranking spots for big program preference. This year we stand at 74 scholarship players, 11 short.
But of course, in the end, it's Notre Dame's fault for hiring a middling coach in the first place. I can only guess that those involved in the hiring didn't know their football -- didn't love the game.
To me as a fan, despite the losses this year, I have confidence that Weis has stanched the heavy bleeding in the program and is putting us on an excellent trajectory.
Crap like this pisses me off, there are a lot of schools that would kill for that kind of class and actually do something with those players.
Weis can't coach worth a damn. Staunching the heavy bleeding is only losing by 17 points?
I think the body has just bled out........
ACK!
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!Comment
-
They might be -- or maybe a little worse. 3 of 4 teams that ND has played had higher-ranked senior classes and the other one (GT) only was marginally lower (#35). Purdue, this week's opponent, was also only marginally lower (#32).Originally posted by Tuberski
Even with those "poor" recruiting classes, shouldn't they be around the 30th best team in the country?
You don't have much of a memory, I'm afraid. Probably haven't watched much ND football either. That's OK. I don't hold your ignorance against you.Weis can't coach worth a damn.Last edited by DanS; September 24, 2007, 10:29.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
-
He probably has watched a lot of football, which is why he knows Weis can't coach
. Wasn't it LSU's defense which said once you get over all the crazy stunts the offense runs prior to the snap, it's a basically straight forward offense?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
-
No, I think it was Ohio State's D (AJ Hawk, specifically). Weis has always been upfront in that that he runs a core set of plays, while creating confusion from multiple formations.
It could be argued that this isn't the best way to run a college offense, because you are trying to win all the games rather than 80% of the games. But it did rather well at New England, where it still forms the foundation of their offense.
Objectively speaking, it seems a tough argument to make, but you might try it.
Must not have watched 2005 USC - ND.He probably has watched a lot of footballI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
-
What about 2006 USC - ND?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
-
Unfortunately, the D coordinator was on his way out the door and the D was very poor that night. While that was a negative, subsequently, they were able to hire one of Weis' guys at D coordinator -- a tremendous hire so far. The only quality Michigan Man out there.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
-
Originally posted by DanS
Unfortunately, the D coordinator was on his way out the door and the D was very poor that night. While that was a negative, subsequently, they were able to hire one of Weis' guys at D coordinator -- a tremendous hire so far. The only quality Michigan Man out there.
Yeah a great hire so far:
33-3
31-10
38-0
31-14
I watched part of 2005 ND-USC, so what? Didn't they lose that game too?
You lose this argument when you keep using defeats to show how good ND is.
ACK!
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!Comment
-
I think Weis needs to win a championship or at least place in the top 10 for several seasons with his own recruiting class, before he gets to say he's better than Willingham (or any other former ND coach)...
<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.Comment
-
I challenge you to find an ND fan who thinks that Willingham is in Weis' class. And ND has had some real stinkers as coaches. But under your criteria, there's nothing that I can say for another several years to convince you. That's OK, since I'm patient and the latest recruiting classes give me some confidence about the future.
A good friend of mine is a Washington fan, so I wish them well, despite it all. Let's examine again once we get more into the season.The amusing part is that Willingham's team at Washington is looking very nice, especially for the future. And frosh QB Locher may be better then ND's Claussen.
Clausen's play and development is the least of my worries, but I wouldn't mind examining it. At this point, he's not making big plays, but he's been stingy with the picks under extreme duress. I've liked what I've seen so far, but it's tough to say how he'll develop. One thing that I've noticed on the downside is that his pocket awareness needs work. This really isn't surprising since he was sacked so rarely in high school. His pocket awareness was better this game than last, on the other hand. Few of the 27 sacks that ND has given up this year are on Clausen.
Objectively, the things I'm looking at are completion percentage and the TD-picks ratio. Once the line starts doing better with handling the pass rush, let's see where he stands.Last edited by DanS; September 24, 2007, 14:21.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
Comment