Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Lorizael]

lolol wait hyper liberal mobius is a russia apologist? did you forget they're not communist anymore?

[Dinner]

lolol wait hyper liberal mobius is a russia apologist? did you forget they're not communist anymore?

I also had to do a double take seeing Mobius repeating Russian propaganda.

[N35t0r]

You used to be liberal, and kid went off the deep end, so it's not that surprising.

[Geronimo]

You used to be liberal, and kid went off the deep end, so it's not that surprising.

I actually feel heartened by huge swings in political views even when they end up further from my views on every issue. What I fear most is actually almost nobody being willing to ever think for themselves or question their assumptions and beliefs. I really hate shrink-wrapped bundles of ideas like the platforms of either viable party in the US political scene.

[Geronimo]

Well that's the problem, isn't it. The US has been destabilising Ukraine since before 2022, since before 2014 even, which was basically a US backed coup against a democratically elected government. So all of this is hardly surprising, isn't it?

how did you know it was a US backed coup? Serb knows because the impartial Russian media showed him it was obviously a coup.

[N35t0r]

Well that's the problem, isn't it. The US has been destabilising Ukraine since before 2022, since before 2014 even, which was basically a US backed coup against a democratically elected government. So all of this is hardly surprising, isn't it?

Aren't there any Ukrainian refugees in the UK you could actually talk to?

[Lorizael]

"I heard the US did some dirty dirty CIA stuff in Ukraine, therefore it's Ukraine's fault Russia invaded Ukraine, killed a bunch of Ukrainians, and dislocated a bunch more." Very smart political analysis.

[Dauphin]

Either MOBIUS has been kicked by a horse, or he is doing a parody of Nigel Farage.

https://youtu.be/kaDH47CiJjs?si=s2yEDWLegDh122Sb

[N35t0r]

NATO expanding was a consequence of Russian imperialist aggression, not the other way round. The Baltics and the Warsaw pact readily remembered Moscow's yoke, and applied to join NATO as soon as they could.

Your post here reads something like 'the Soviet Union is responsible for Pinochet's coup of Allende in Chile. They knew America was the USA's backyard and still gave him support.' It's excusing a bully, and also disgustingly treats people that aren't a major world power as incapable of having agency.

[BeBMan]

Victoria Nuland was literally recorded plotting it, among other things

The US has been desperate to maintain its hegemonic status. Russia has repeated its red lines about NATO expansionism since circa 2008, and complained it before then. What happened to Georgia in 2008 should have be a wake up call, but the fact of the matter is that the US doesn't give a **** about trashing any nations that happen to get sucked up and spat out along the way.

IOW Russia has been desperate to maintain its hegemonic status over eastern Europe, and keep it's neighbours in a quasi-colonial state. The only new thing now (since a couple yrs) is that they do it by open aggression.

[Lorizael]

I mean what else was Putin going to do?

Not invade Ukraine and kill a bunch of people?

[Lorizael]

Perhaps it's you guys being fed US propaganda, just like all the lies that emerged about Iraq like WMDs etc. How many of the usual suspects here got sucked in by that, I know I certainly wasn't. So yeah, my views have been remarkably consistent, actually.

Pretty sure the consistent view here would be: imperialist powers shouldn't invade other countries and kill a bunch of people. That was my view in 2003 and my view now.

[EPW]

Oh god not another one.

[BeBMan]

If Putin invested more in combat capability than in online trolling the world could be in trouble.

[BeBMan]

I guess NATO-Navalny crossed a lot of red lines, so Putin was basically forced to do something.

[N35t0r]

What Russian imperialist aggression? I think you'll find that NATO expanded when Russia was too weak to do anything about it, not the other way around.

This... doesn't exactly make the point you want to push.

NATO didn't expand in Eastern Europe because it invaded all those countries. It expanded because all those countries knew Russia would want them under their heel sooner or later... And they didn't exactly enjoy the last time they were.