Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Serb]

OMG Serb. No military will make two huge withdrawals from their own national territory like the retreats from Kherson and the Kharkiv region while they are inflicting 10 to 1 losses on an enemy which they enjoy overwhelming firepower and combined arms superiority over regardless of any level of numbers of enemy canon fodder. WTF? Do you ever step back to re-evaluate your beliefs?

Like Kherson and Kharkiv (that we have never a full control of) are the only places where the war takes place!
The width of frontline is over thousands of kilometers, but any local success of Ukrainian forces is portrayed by your media as a decisive victory. Why should I re-evaluate my beliefs, if the grand picture suits them well? It is Ukraine who had lost its territory, population, MIC and economy, despite mobilizing all she could, not Russia.

Think about the situation in Kherson. If 8 waves of mobilization gave the Ukrainians an 8 to 1 numerical advantage while being at large disadvantage in firepower they would either have swarmed the city immediately or if they tried parking outside it, the Russians would have enjoyed an opportunity to decimate the massed enemy troops using their vastly superior firepower.

Did I say we have a firepower advantage at every inch of the front?
We have committed a tactical withdrawal at Kherson, because it was necessary considering the local terrain and the disposition of forces on that exact piece of the front. Period.

What happened was Russia was taking heavier losses there than Ukraine and had more difficulty supplying their forces in the city so they retreated. That scenario is totally incompatible with Kherson being Russian territory let alone being Russian territory where Russia was inflicting 10 to 1 losses on the Ukrainians while enjoying a massive across the board firepower, economic and logistics advantage.

If you didn't notice, the civilian population have been evaquated from the right bank as we wll the the military forces. That was a well organized withdrawal with nearly casualties for the reasons I have mentioned above.

Stop and think hard about what the large Russian retreats mean. It is obvious you never have.

WHAT LARGE RUSSIAN RETREAT?

Two local Ukranian sucsesses is all you got, but that was a long time ago. Today we have regrouped and meatgreanding your puppet at Bakhmut.

We are advancing now, not you!

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

He's a Finn.

[Serb]

No way, Serb must not be banned even if he asks for it

I'll put this club of yours right where it belongs to - into your Danish chocolate eye!

[Serb]

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No they didn't - it was the russians that invaded with "little green men" - the west wasn't involved at all

The West wasn't involved in a coup you call the 'Maidan"?

What the F are you if either a dumb facts denier or an imbecilie with a memory of a fish?

It was the Russians that didn't fulfill the Minsk agreement - they continued the invasion despite they should have pulled out.

LIE!

I gave you confessions of Poroshenko, Merkel, Holland - all the western bodies who had signed Minsk agreement and all of them have confessed about the same - they just wanted to buy some time to re-arm Ukraine and never wanted to fulfill the agreement.

Russia couldn't fail the agreement, because she was never a part of it. You can't find a single mention of Russia in the agreement, idiot!
Russia was a gurantur of agreement, not the part of the deal.

You are still watching RTV ?

Are you able to watch RT, lying moron?
Nope, because you have banned all the opposite sources of information, but still dare to bark something about the freedom of speech.

No, there has not been any shelling of civilians at all. Most civilian losses in the Donbas area are due to Russian mining of areas - numbers of deaths is like 20-25 per year.

You are insane!
Your Ukranian puppets are shelling civilian blocks of Donbass, shools, kindergarderns, markets, etc., EVERYDAY!!! They do it INTENTINALLY. Your media just do not show that, moreover - they took pictures of Ukranian war crimes and present them as the Russian ones!

You are supporting a bloody Nazi murderers

No, you have not incorporated anything like that in your state - again, you are watching too much RTV. Actually, you have not incorporated any part of Ukraine in Russia

Oh, ok! But the amendments to our constitution says the opposite.

Maybe it's you that should stop watching RTV and listening to Putin

Maybe it is you who should stop being an idiot and face the reality.

Your puppet is in deep sh!t. They have lost about 20% of their terrotory, about 30% of their population, more then 60% of their economy and 100% of their military industrial complex.
And you, Western idiots, still dare to dark that you are wining?


Facepalm. A hopeless idiots.

[pchang]

I'm sure there are enough small arms for an extra 2 million. It's not like they will have to use bows and arrows. https://www.newsweek.com/photo-russi...vSP1h-S83ZYOKg

[Geronimo]

how effective will even 2 million soldiers be with no additional equipment provided to them? 2 million man bayonet charge?

[Dinner]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/06/russia-preparing-mobilise-extra-500000-conscripts-claims-ukraine

[Dinner]

https://youtu.be/cmwFJqd4RGQ

[Dinner]

We are going to see Russia closes its borders to prevent men from fleeing. Putin will then declare total mobilization, drafting 1-2 million men, and Belarus will be dragged into the war. Putin is going to role the dice one final time and try to push from Belarus to Kiev. No, 50 Bradley's is not enough nor are a few old IVFs from Germany or even the wheeled light tanks which France is sending. The numbers are just to small. NATO needs to be massively upping the number of Ukrainians troops it trains (250 every two months is nice but the rate needs to be tens of thousands) and we need to give them everything possible.

https://youtu.be/9jQ899erg3A

[Geronimo]

50 Bradley's is nice but even with the French and German donations we are only talking 150 fighting vehicles plus they are three different platforms. That means parts and maintenance are going to be complicated.

Ukraine has done so much with so little and their equipment situation still remains so desperate that this can be a big deal. Flip side is that we could probably get more bang for the buck donating more as Ukraine's maintenance of the initiative is totally dependent on donated material.

[Dinner]

50 Bradley's is nice but even with the French and German donations we are only talking 150 fighting vehicles plus they are three different platforms. That means parts and maintenance are going to be complicated.

[pchang]

While it seems like a lot, the numbers are actually not that significant.

[BeBMan]

More hardware on the way. Some of it should have been done last summer or so, but better late than never.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64184430

Then again, the whole war should have been called off by now, but saving lives from whatever side might be some decadent western plot against Russia or something

[pchang]

We won't give them the ATACMS (range 300km), so it seems unlikely we would give them this extended range (150km) rocket.

[PLATO]

It appears another barracks full of conscripts went boom. You'd think Russia would learn to stop bunching tons of troops up in a single building within strike range of the Ukraine but the Russian command seems to be slow learners.

It will be even more interesting when Ukraine gets these (if they do):

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/10/12/lockheed-extended-range-himars-round/