Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[pchang]

Everything is going according to plan? Perhaps, even Serb is beginning to doubt.

[BeBMan]

But Russia has now....


Ice Soldiers!


However, at some point they may be melting away like much of their invasion force did already...

[Proteus_MST]

Congratulations to the death of your son in Ukraina.
Oh and would you please sign here, for the receipt of the death certificate ... and here for receiving his medals?

https://twitter.com/sevslv/status/1604474961690861568

The daughter of this father in a Russian ad (for joining the army) is obviously better off.
Her father rejoins the army in order to buy her a new smartphone

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/st...40346700300288

Takeaways fro the ad:
1. In Russia, workers only get paid sporadicallly
2. Russia doesn't care for veterans of its previous conflicts

[pchang]

Looks like Russia wants to get rid of all its musicians. Now, they are being sent to fight in Ukraine.

[PLATO]

Re Putin's press thingie -- thought he just wants to avoid the embarassment over his very "special" mil op aka war ...

Thought that might be it as well until I remembered that he owned the press and could control the questions.

[BeBMan]

Re Putin's press thingie -- thought he just wants to avoid the embarassment over his very "special" mil op aka war ...

[PLATO]

Patriot Missiles to Ukraine. Russia threatens "unpredictable consequences". Empty threats? What could their response be?

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3776569-russia-warns-of-unpredictable-consequences-if-us-sends-patriot-missiles-to-ukraine/

[PLATO]

For the first time in a decade no annual Putin year-end press conference

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63947946

Just fuels the speculation on his health. If he is dying, then what would a dying, murderous dictator do with his final order? Makes ya wonder.....

[BeBMan]

For the first time in a decade no annual Putin year-end press conference

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63947946

[BlackCat]

Why do I think Star Trek when seeing/hearing this guy ?

Anyway, it gets a bit weird at 13:18'ish

[BeBMan]

The right wing massacred a bunch of people at a protest to blame the President and it worked, that was a coup. Victoria Nuland was recorded choosing the next President 2-3 weeks before it happened and thats who replaced him. Trump's MAGA didn't send a squad of snipers to shoot hundreds of people and he's accused of a coup. The BBC interviewed one of the snipers, he was told to shoot cops and protesters. Azov's guns were pointing at the Donbas, not the other way around. The people of the Donbas were defending themselves, they didn't send 'volunteers' to attack Kiev.

How are Wall St's motives and war profiteering a non sequitur? I think your understanding is the non sequitur, this was not inevitable - it followed an 8 year war against ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine and threats of impending Nato membership. This didn't happen on Trump's watch so that double cross didn't happen. Trump was arming those Nazis and Putin still held back, but the return of the Obama/Biden neocon agenda led to this disaster. Please tell me you understand the US (not Trump) wanted Putin to invade and tried to make it happen. As for Putin, the US makes him look angelic.

Kremlin's greatest hits again.

But pls. tell us more about "the Obama/Biden neocon agenda"

[Dinner]

The US didn't blow up Nordstream, why would they, as Russia had already shut it down. From a U.S. point of view it is far better for Russia to shut it down itself than for the U.S. to sabotage it. To compare Russia was facing a massive lawsuit for breach of contract for shutting off Nordstream but the contract had am automatic out if the pipeline was damaged. So, yes, Russia had a very big incentive to damage a pipeline it had already shut down.

[Berzerker]

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/12/minsk-ii-was-agreed-on-to-arm-ukraine-did-merkel-really-say-that.html

he argues Merkel was trying to head off a bigger war with the Minsk deal because Russia would have rolled over the Ukrainians, not necessarily so Ukraine would be stronger for a future war albeit that is the reality. She was also working on Nordstrom to bypass land pipelines thru Ukraine and Poland so she wasn't planning on this war.

I think that Merkel is obfuscating. Her original intent with Minsk II was not to buy time to arm Ukraine. Her intent was to prevent a further war and to make peace. The argument, that it gave time for Ukraine to arm, is only made now and only to save her political ass in the current political climate.

The proof for that is in what she also brings up, Nord Stream 2, which has always had her full support. Its intent was to make Germany independent from the pipelines through Ukraine and Poland. But war came before the much delayed pipeline was ready. And any realistic alternative for Germany's current position was gone after the U.S. finally blew it up. Her answer with regards to Nord Stream 2 makes no sense if she, at the same time that Nord Stream 2 was build, had intentionally prepared Ukraine for war.

[Uncle Sparky]

do you believe the USA wanted this war?

They didn't not want it. American, Canadian, British and other western nations knew as soon as the military build up in Belarus began. This is why military trainers,advisors, NGOs, etc were transfered out post-haste. If they didn't want a Russian invasion, NATO would have started an official joint 'training exersize' instead of moving troops and equipment out.

Do you think Russia would have tried to liberate Kiev if NATO troops were in the area, or if the Black Sea had a US fleet (in international waters of course). How naive are you? (never mind...)

[PLATO]

Kidicious made Berzerker look sane. But, now that he’s gone……

Yup