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  • Last edited by My Wife Hates CIV; July 5, 2022, 21:58.

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    • Last edited by My Wife Hates CIV; July 5, 2022, 21:58.

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      • Something about the Ukrainians deifying St. Javelin maybe?
        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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        • Last edited by My Wife Hates CIV; July 5, 2022, 21:59.

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          • Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV View Post
            ha! mwhc writes code. a lot - A LOT - of code.
            I don't write "a lot of code", I write only what is necessary which has some advantages - it does what the users want, is effective and doesn't need constant fixing.
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            • I don't think it is the end of tanks either, but possibly the beginning of rethinking how best to utilize them. Russia is a perfect demonstration of how tanks should not be used. In today's world you just can't lead with tanks. You have to prep the battlefield for them. Of course, when you have 13,000 of them then I guess they think quantity has a quality of its own.
              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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              • Last edited by My Wife Hates CIV; July 5, 2022, 21:59.

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                • Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                  I don't think it is the end of tanks either, but possibly the beginning of rethinking how best to utilize them. Russia is a perfect demonstration of how tanks should not be used. In today's world you just can't lead with tanks. You have to prep the battlefield for them. Of course, when you have 13,000 of them then I guess they think quantity has a quality of its own.
                  You also saw this when Turkey was at war with the IS/Daesh and made grave tactical errors by deploying their Leopard 2A4 tanks (rather old export variant of the Leo 2).

                  For example one of them was put in an exposed position in a city, without infantry support ...
                  and was promptly attacked by Daesh fighters with an ATGM ... and severely damaged.

                  AFAIK Turkey lost several tanks due to tactical oversights like these
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                  • Some facts.

                    after the USSR the west engineered and carried out a division of yugoslavia. There is proof of arming ISIS albanians and nationalist albanians aka the UCK.

                    NATO didn't have the right to exist so it invented a reason by massacring serbs and stole their land.


                    Anyone who is in favor of kosovo's independence and doesn't support russia is a hypocrite unworthy of being taken seriously.

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                    • Serbs were responding to NATO sanctioned albanian terrorist tactics.
                      There was a civil war engineered by many countries primary germany which rushed to recognize the indepdendece of its nazi ally croatia precipitating the war.

                      It wasn't just a favor to old allies. Germany has now bought even the underwear that croatians wear (why she would want that, I refer you to infamous german BDSM).

                      Finally, flemish were fervent nazi supporters because they hated french speaking socialists.

                      these are all facts

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                      • Genocide must not be allowed. Serbia broke the rule and paid the price. Russia is breaking the rule now and is paying a price (Economic mostly, but hard to discount the effect of Western weapons). It is little wonder that Serbia and Russia are allies as both seem to think that Genocide is a reasonable option.

                        As far as NATO overstepping its bounds in Serbia, that is a debate that can happen, but only if you take a moral obligation to humanity to act when you can out of the picture.
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                        • My impression at the time was that we got into Yugoslavia as a diplomatic obligation - we didn't care that much, but our allies in Western Europe did. [shrugs]
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                          • Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                            Genocide must not be allowed. Serbia broke the rule and paid the price. Russia is breaking the rule now and is paying a price (Economic mostly, but hard to discount the effect of Western weapons). It is little wonder that Serbia and Russia are allies as both seem to think that Genocide is a reasonable option.

                            As far as NATO overstepping its bounds in Serbia, that is a debate that can happen, but only if you take a moral obligation to humanity to act when you can out of the picture.
                            He just objects because the US was one of the actors. He has a hard on for hating the US (Germany too).
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                            • Last edited by My Wife Hates CIV; July 5, 2022, 21:59.

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                              • Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV View Post
                                i dont think Genocide was Putins thinking. Not that that makes what is going on now less wrong. Putin has been pushed into a corner. Blame the US for that?
                                Right, he was pushed so far into a corner he had to invade another country, indiscriminately target civilians, and (at best) send troops so terribly trained and brainwashed into hating Ukrainians that they committed genocide. Poor Putin.
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                                  Yes, or blame NATO for invading all those Eastern European countries and forcing them to join their ranks !
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