Elon Musk

[Giancarlo]

Most employees should get themselves a marketable in demand skill then leverage the crap out of that to get themselves the highest wages possible. That is what I do and it works. No unions or union fees involved.

I do not care what you do. You are stuck in Reagan trickle down economics mode. Most people aren't you and don't make $65 an hour.

A marketable in demand skill? Here we go with that boot straps crap. And this is why the US is so royally screwed in the long run and will eventually see wages drop after decades of stagnation.

[Giancarlo]

And with that said, I really am not going to continue this. First, I take pride in the work I do and am paid well for it. Second, I serve the public in the best way possible and take pride in doing that. Finally, this is getting far too personal and I will step back from it. In addition, you have now attacked my livelihood and my income. I'm not going to get angry like I did in the past. I will simply add you to my ignore list.

Plus my lunch hour is over. Have a nice day.

Respond all you want. I will not read any more of your posts.

[Dinner]

Oh please.

Not everybody is you and the average person is lucky to even see anything free from their employer beyond free coffee.

No union? You would be happy if unions didn't exist? Again, let me go over this for you... With unions, I make perhaps 35-40% more than I would in a comparable nonunion job. And I'm saying comparable in terms of responsibility and duties.

And the fees are minimal. I do elect to give a few more dollars in a completely separate COPE fund for the union, but that is solely for political matters and unrelated to my union fees.

All I am saying is that if Unions did a good job of serving workers and giving them value for their fees more people would join them yet we see fewer and fewer union members each year. Now it is mostly just government workers and a few specific industries. They are dying because workers don't think they are worth it any more.

As for why I brought up my pay and benefits, no, it is not because "I hate unions so much" it is because you said workers have no recourse without unions. Bull. We have lots of recourse and it is called simply switching jobs if they don't give into my demands. Now, I made sure I was highly skilled, well educated, and I pay attention to what opportunities are available in my career field in my area. I network like you would not believe. So if someone truly thinks Walmart is all they can get then they need to either move or qualify themselves for a better job. Doing both is often necessary.

[Dinner]

Heck, with a high school diploma and passing a high school level basic science and math test you get a job at the local water utility starting at $27 per hour. The people who think low pay is all they can get are either felons, complacent, lazy, or stupid. No, you don't need to know anyone to get a good paying job. You just need to look on Indeed.com or any other job website and apply with a well written resume. If you are a vet you can pretty much automatically get an $80,000 a year job here but I aimed higher. Everyone else should too.

[Giancarlo]

You are completely out of touch with reality. Workers have seen stagnant wages for decades. And the Antiunion attitudes are perpetuated by misguided and inaccurate views.

Network like you wouldn't believe.. Lmao. Keep it up with the personal anecdotes.

I'm done with you. You haven't changed. You are still arrogant beyond belief.

I have both a BA and MA degree, so lazy and stupid is something I am not.

[Dinner]

You have some vile views and I have nothing further to say to you. You are lashing out at unions for the service at the DMV? I don't believe DMV employees are even unionized (not sure on this one).

You have seriously and severely misguided views about government workers and unions.

Most people in my workplace take pride in the work they do, have better pay and better benefits. When people are happy they tend to do better at work.

You are lashing out at me personally because you don't like the fact I'm unionized and better paid? That's nice.

Edit: I will not make this personal.

No one is lashing out at you and no one is demonizing unions. I said it before, if they did a better job justifying their existence to workers, not being so corrupt, and not being greedy then they would gain members instead of lose members. Yes, the DMV (like virtually all state workers here) are unionized and there are excellent reasons why government workers should not be allowed to unionize. Just google what Franklin Roosevelt had to say about them so if my views are "vile" then so are his and I doubt many would find FDR's views "vile".

Also no one is attacking you so stop personalizing everything.

[Dinner]

https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2013/aug/13/scott-walker/Did-FDR-oppose-collective-bargaining-for-governmen/

[Giancarlo]

No one is lashing out at you and no one is demonizing unions. I saod it before, if they did a better job justifying their existence to workers, not being so corrupt, and not being greedy then they would gain members instead of lose members. Yes, the DMV (like virtually all state workers here) are unionized and there are excellent reasons why government workers should not be allowed to unionize. Just google what Franklin Roosevelt had to say about them so if my views are "vile" then so are his and I doubt many would find FDR's views "vile".

Also no one is attacking you so stop personalizing everything.

You are dead wrong on government workers. The majority of them work hard and I see this first hand. They have every right to unionize. And greedy? For charging me some miniscule fee in exchange for far better pay? Oh please.

Wrong on all counts.

Most government workers work hard for the public. And deserve the pay and protections unions provide. End of story. Not all of us want to be making what West Virginia teachers make who lack bargaining power.

[Dinner]

No one has said they don't work hard. What both I and FDR have said it they should not be allowed to unionize. If you want to know why you can read the link I provided.

[Giancarlo]

I will have to agree to disagree. We have every right to organize and unionize. FDR wasn't perfect and was wrong (just like how he was wrong with internment camps).

I don't want to hijack this thread. Let it get back to the topic. The attacks on my livelihood have gone far enough.

[ZEE]

The topic and point of this thread is what exactly the smell of Elon's Musk is.

See that's how AAHZ rolls. I have received the honor and respect enough to post and say whatever I want in any thread I want and have the mental opinions of me remain unchanged, no matter who does the thinking, and get away with it no matter the administration, community, or any advertisers watching. I could be extremely insulting, perverted, disgusting, politically incorrect, or tear-jerkingly fantastic. Hate me love me call me crazy. That's how I roll. Any topic anything I say... is in bounds and accepted. So I say again...

I want to sniff Elon's Musk.

[BeBMan]

[Dinner]

Hell, a heavy equipment operator gets around $75 per hour on any prevailing wage job site. Some general construction laborer gets around $50 per hour on the same job site and, yes, they all get full benefits. Maybe people should be more willing to move and/or switch career fields in order to macimize their take home wages. There is no excuse for working a low wage job inless you truly do notbhave the English language and basic skills to get a better job. Most of it co.es down to complacency and being too scared to try for better.

There are so many jobs on offer and the unemployment rate is so low just about every worker has leverage especially if they are educated and have good job references. Everyone who wants to do so should be able to get 40 hours per week at a decent wage.

[Giancarlo]

Yes guys $100k+ jobs are so plentiful. You don't even need college. Yeah too scared to try for better lmao... Yeah gotta do the bootstraps reaganomics crap lol.

Let's just say I'm not buying it. If that was the case, I would have moved on considering my advanced computer skills.

Myths and lies. Most readily available jobs in that income category require college. And I'm trying for higher paying that require it. Urban planning is one field I'm interested in and they pay very well.

College is always required and so is prior public sector experience. Even for the starting level. Construction workers don't make more than an urban planner lol. And construction work has seen declines in wages for years.

[Dinner]

Yes guys $100k+ jobs are so plentiful. You don't even need college. Yeah too scared to try for better lmao... Yeah gotta do the bootstraps reaganomics crap lol.





Let's just say I'm not buying it. If that was the case, I would have moved on considering my advanced computer skills.

Myths and lies. Most readily available jobs in that income category require college. And I'm trying for higher paying that require it. Urban planning is one field I'm interested in and they pay very well.

College is always required and so is prior public sector experience. Even for the starting level. Construction workers don't make more than an urban planner lol. And construction work has seen declines in wages for years.

They truly are in good cities. If you live in a ****ty place without opportunities then you need to move. Sure, it costs more to live in the big city but you make more as long as you are willing to do the hard work to qualify yourself for said jobs.

If you live some where ****ty, move, and if you see high paying jobs but do not qualify then do what it takes to make yourself qualified. But don't sit complacently in a ****ty place and claim it is not your fault.

How much college do you think a construction laborer needs?