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[Kidlicious]

I think that you could get a lot of African-Americans and a lot of Hispanics in favor of immigration restrictions.

But the strongest proponents of immigration restriction in the GOP use racist language and racial points to do this immigration restriction (King from Iowa, Miller from the WH, Trump talking about wanting Norway immigrants but not Mexican immigrants, Trump saying the judge was not Mexican (or something) despite the judge being just as American as Trump (The child of an immigrant family)).

JM

Can you explain how Trump saying that he wants more immigrants from Norway (that are more productive) and less immigrants from Haiti (which is what he actually said) hurts anyone.

[spambot]

For some reason, Republicans don't want to focus attention on the fact that hiring illegal immigrants can enable businesses to ignore the minimum wage.

[Jon Miller]

I think that you could get a lot of African-Americans and a lot of Hispanics in favor of immigration restrictions.

But the strongest proponents of immigration restriction in the GOP use racist language and racial points to do this immigration restriction (King from Iowa, Miller from the WH, Trump talking about wanting Norway immigrants but not Mexican immigrants, Trump saying the judge was not Mexican (or something) despite the judge being just as American as Trump (The child of an immigrant family)).

JM

[Dinner]

So their solution... make it look like the Republican party has something against Hispanics, thereby guaranteeing that Hispanics won't vote Rebublican?

I can certainly see how some would interpret it that way. Then again it depends on which group of Hispanics we are talking about. Those who are illegal or have illegals in their family will hate it but those Hispanics who are not illegal often are also against illegals. Remember that Cesar Chavez's farm workers movement was the most outspoken advocates of cracking down on illegal aliens because they wanted to raise farm labor wages and knew they could not so that if employers could just fire them and hire illegals instead.

[Jon Miller]

Also no DACA recipient should EVER be allowed to sponsor anyone to come over here because the first thing they want to do is sponsor their parents who very much are law breaking criminals.

At least from Mexico, the government is very willing to be very strict. I know a couple where the husband (Mexican) has to stay in Mexico and the wife is American... they got tired of waiting for his marriage visa to be approved (after 3? years) and tried to sneak him in. They were caught. He will never be allowed in. EVER.

I probably would have been fine with the line being 16 or even 14. But it was made 18, also not a bad point.

JM
(My wife had her marriage visa approved in less than 8 months. My wife's sister had her fiancé visa approved in less than 20 months. The difference was probably because I and my wife had been married for some time and had a child.)

[Dinner]

They were (often young) children when they came, they have (generally) only known the US, they were raised here. They have their life here. They don't have another life. In some cases they don't know Spanish/etc.

It is thinking of the children.

The reason why the average DACA recipient is in their 30s is because illegal immigration (from Mexico/etc) has mostly not been a problem for since the early 00s (https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ion-in-the-us/).

JM

Yes, most of them varifiably were though the cut off age was 18 and 18 year olds very much are legal adults in their home country and easily could go back. Hell, a not insignificant number can't even clarify they were here because they never attended school here. That is just ripe for fraud in my mind. I would cut it down to those just age 10 or younger as those really have only had experience here. Teenagers especially older teens? Nope, they should be sent back home.

Also no DACA recipient should EVER be allowed to sponsor anyone to come over here because the first thing they want to do is sponsor their parents who very much are law breaking criminals.

[spambot]

[Kidlicious]

If you want to punish an adult for having broken the law as a small child, you might well have ulterior motives. But keep using your "I'm just enforcing the law" excuse.

It's not about punishment. It's about enforcing the border.

[spambot]

No. We don't think Latinos are stupid. Democrats do. That's why they keep calling anyone that believes in enforcing the border a racist. You think Latinos are stupid. That's racist.

If you want to punish an adult for having broken the law as a small child, you might well have ulterior motives. But keep using your "I'm just enforcing the law" excuse.

[Kidlicious]

Funny how spambot claims that Rs benefit from identify politics then engages in it. Are you helping spambot?

[Kidlicious]

So their solution... make it look like the Republican party has something against Hispanics, thereby guaranteeing that Hispanics won't vote Rebublican?

No. We don't think Latinos are stupid. Democrats do. That's why they keep calling anyone that believes in enforcing the border a racist. You think Latinos are stupid. That's racist.

[spambot]

If you want to get down to it what really upsets the Republicans about DACA is Hispanics tend to not vote for them while Dems always deliberately try to ramp up legalizing illegals specifically because they want to import more voters.

If Hispanics voted the other way you would automatically see the two parties flip positions. There is really only political opportunism at work here.

So their solution... make it look like the Republican party has something against Hispanics, thereby guaranteeing that Hispanics won't vote Rebublican?

[Jon Miller]

Dems lied. They said "it is just the children, won't you think of the children?" Then it turns out your average DACA recipient is in his mid to late 30s. Those aren't children.

They were (often young) children when they came, they have (generally) only known the US, they were raised here. They have their life here. They don't have another life. In some cases they don't know Spanish/etc.

It is thinking of the children.

The reason why the average DACA recipient is in their 30s is because illegal immigration (from Mexico/etc) has mostly not been a problem for since the early 00s (https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ion-in-the-us/).

JM

[Dinner]

If any of the DACA applicants are committing felonies, boot um. I still think resources are still better spent going after those that do commit felonies I am not denying the right of the President to do ti, but I can still consider it a dickish move that reflect poorly on our country.

And I don't have to write my congressman. He has already gone on record supporting DACA recipients.

DACA do get booted if they commit felonies (well, most of the time; Obama granted some waivers). California's terrible "Sancuary State" law makes it illegal for any state or local law enforcement to cooperate on deportations for any illegal unless they commit murder or rape. Originally, even murders and rapists were supposed to just get released back into the community after finishing their jail sentences. This means hundreds of thousand of illegal aliens who commit felonies are not getting deported and instead are released into our communities to offend again.

Dems lied. They said "it is just the children, won't you think of the children?" Then it turns out your average DACA recipient is in his mid to late 30s. Those aren't children. They said we had to let young illegals go so they could concentrate of illegals who commit felonies then they turned around and said the felons can't be deported either. At this point I no longer give them ANY benefit of the doubt and now say all illegals need to be deported, no exceptions.

[Proteus_MST]

The demographic being citizens of foreign countries.

You mean like the juge number of illegal voters that Trumps voting investigation uncovered?

How many was it again?
I think 9 .... out of several millions of voters ... 9

If you want to talk about money wasted in useless investigations, maybe you should begin with those that were started by Donnie and/or the GOP