Thread for obviously newsworthy stuff

[Dinner]

http://fortune.com/2018/10/17/edible-cotton-gmo/

This is going to be big and this is why GMO is going to be so key to feeding the world in the future. Cotton is one of the world's most widely produced cash crops and for every pound of cotton lint grown there are 1.5 pounds of cotton seeds that go with it. Those seeds would be highly nutritious but cotton also produces it's on pesticide in order to protect the seeds from insects. That natural pesticide makes cotton seeds inedible.

Now a new genetically modified cotton plant has been produced in the U.S. with the poison removed from both the seeds and leaves. What does this mean?

It means farmers can now not only grow cotton for its lint but they will now also be able to harvest highly nutritious seeds while the leaves (which used to just get plowed under due to the fact that they were poisonous to livestock) can now be used as fodder for livestock. It used to be just the fibers were useful but now farmers will get their regular crop of cotton fiber plus the seeds as a food and oil crop plus fodder for livestock all in the same fields.

That is a big increase in agricultural productivity for one of the world's most widely grown crops.

[Kidlicious]

I wouldn't call it "my desires" ... rather my belief for fairness and morals.
Those protected by DACA (and now possibly getting expulsed) were not sesponsible for their situation ... neither did they, themselves decide to the USA (that was done by their parents), nor did they (as a group) do anything that lets it appear valid grounds to revoke their protection again. They are just a playing ball in the hands of as man-baby with an oversized Ego who, for inexplicable reasons, became PotUS.
Fact is that Donnies actions against DACA will create a wave of distrust of Hispanics against the US government (after all those in DACA freely gave their addresses/names away to the government in hope, now getting somehow legally recvognized and not having to stay in hiding anymore ... hopes that Trump repeatedly tries to shatter with no good reason at all (except for appeasing the racists among his fans and making a boogey man out of the Latinos)

Whether or not Donnies revoking of DACA via EO is correct ... dunno ... maybe you are right and it is correct, on procedural grounds ... or maybe the reasoning in the article spambot quoted is right and the attempts to stop Donnie from revoking DACA will prevail over Trumps attempts in fighting it

If you are going to claim to hold your opinion on moral grounds don't also state that people are against DACA because of racism, because then you are saying that you don't really have morals.

[Proteus_MST]

You are inserting yourself and your desires into something which has zero to do that. ...

I wouldn't call it "my desires" ... rather my belief for fairness and morals.
Those protected by DACA (and now possibly getting expulsed) were not sesponsible for their situation ... neither did they, themselves decide to the USA (that was done by their parents), nor did they (as a group) do anything that lets it appear valid grounds to revoke their protection again. They are just a playing ball in the hands of as man-baby with an oversized Ego who, for inexplicable reasons, became PotUS.
Fact is that Donnies actions against DACA will create a wave of distrust of Hispanics against the US government (after all those in DACA freely gave their addresses/names away to the government in hope, now getting somehow legally recvognized and not having to stay in hiding anymore ... hopes that Trump repeatedly tries to shatter with no good reason at all (except for appeasing the racists among his fans and making a boogey man out of the Latinos)

Whether or not Donnies revoking of DACA via EO is correct ... dunno ... maybe you are right and it is correct, on procedural grounds ... or maybe the reasoning in the article spambot quoted is right and the attempts to stop Donnie from revoking DACA will prevail over Trumps attempts in fighting it

[Kidlicious]

Yes, he destroyed evidence. That was a much bigger problem.

[Dinner]

You are inserting yourself and your desires into something which has zero to do that. Executive orders are just that and nothing more and there is nothing written which says they have to be good or have any reason what so ever. Congress never passed a law authorizing DACA, it was just an EO signed by Obama, so it stands to reason it can be undone by an EO.

it really does seem some judges just don't like to see DACA eliminated ergo they are trying to invent invalid reasons to block it. That will rightly get struck down by the SCotUS.

If Dems want something like DACA then they need to pass a law through Congress and have it signed by the President. You will notice they have never done that not even during 2008-2010 when they controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency. So this amounts to little more than sour grapes which are not valid legal defenses.

[Proteus_MST]

Could this argument make the majority of Trumps EOs invalid?

[Proteus_MST]

Seems to me like the counterargument on the ground s of "good reason" is a good one.
There seems to be no good reason to just end DACA for those who are currently part of the program.

After all the majority of them seems to be useful members of the US society, who are not under criminal investigation ... who are jobs and/or are studying.
The only reason for ending it for everyone (and not only preventing new applicants for coming under DACA) seems to lie in Trumps racism

[-Jrabbit]

Destroying evidence was a tipping point, moreso than access to the tapes.
Nixon was in deep doo-doo before the taping system was even known.

[Dinner]

I haven't read the latest ruling but previous claims are that Trump is biased or has some animus, which is no doubt true. Of course, Obama also was biased. It may revolve around some procedural argument or, then again, it might just be partisan hackery.

Either way rule by executive order is not a great idea even if each side loves it when their sides does it and hates it when the other side does it. Just for logical consistency's sake I truly expect the courts to ultimately rule that whatever can be created via executive fiat can equally be undone by executive fiat. It is not like we are talking about acts of Congress here.

[spambot]

"We conclude that plaintiffs are likely to succeed on their claim that the rescission of DACA -- at least as justified on this record -- is arbitrary, capricious, or otherwise not in accordance with law," reads the opinion from Judge Kim McLane Wardlaw, an appointee of President Bill Clinton.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/politics/daca-9th-circuit/index.html

I guess the premise is that the president has to have a good reason for issuing an executive order?

[spambot]

If I understand correctly, someone sued Trump over him ending it, and the courts are merely delaying the end of DACA until the outcome of the lawsuit has been determined.

[Dinner]

MAGA ... so much winning

https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status...16920532217859

Honestly, this sounds like a bad ruling. Obama could extra legally create it with an executive order but the next president cannot end it with an executive order? I suspect this will end up in the SCotUS who will rule in favor of the administration.

[Kidlicious]

The way I understand it many people still supported him until the tapes.

[-Jrabbit]

Your explanation is conveniently oversimplified. Some of us lived through Watergate. It was far more complex than access to the tapes.

[Kidlicious]

What do you think tye Saturday Night Massacre was about? Hell, Trump just replicated it and for the exact same reasons. To shut the investigation down because he knows what it will find.

The Saturday Night Massacre was the results of the Nixon Tapes. Nixon only turned over summaries, but Cox wanted the entire tapes. So Nixon had him fired. The result was a big loss is support for Nixon. So it's not just a matter of Nixon firing him, which is your claim. It's the tapes.