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  • Thanks for proving my point... Again, keep up with the foaming at the mouth and you will be toast.
    Keep on Civin'
    RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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    • Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
      Speaking of math, it's not so much the current probability that worries me as it is the second derivative of that probability graph.
      I was lousy at calculus. Is the second derivative the rate of change in the line's slope, the direction it's moving at that particular moment, both, or neither?
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      • Originally posted by Ming View Post
        Thanks for proving my point... Again, keep up with the foaming at the mouth and you will be toast.
        Then ban me then. I am not backing down.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • If you don't, you will. You're choice.
          But your brand of hate is just as bad as the people you whine about that hate gays.
          Keep on Civin'
          RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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          • Originally posted by Ming View Post
            If you don't, you will. You're choice.
            But your brand of hate is just as bad as the people you whine about that hate gays.
            That's such a lie. My brand of hate? Oh excuse me for opposing fascism in sheep's clothing (conservatism). Excuse me for giving a **** about people!
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • I have no problem with your disgust with those who discriminate against gays. But calling all conservatives fascists is yet another one of your broad sweeping generalizations.
              Keep on Civin'
              RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                Electoral advantage... Which is unchanged despite national polling. Nate Silver recognizes this.

                Hillary has many states safely in her hands and has even forced republicans to spend money to defend some of their own. This is stretching them thin.

                Plus early voting has favored democrats by a wide margin. They have matched 2012 levels.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • Originally posted by Elok View Post
                  I was lousy at calculus. Is the second derivative the rate of change in the line's slope...
                  Yup. The line is trending downward faster and faster!
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                  • In case you are wondering, yes there is a german word for this: Grenzdebil
                    Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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                    • Tracking polls are historically poor indicators of whom win elections. There was a poll that Hillary ahead 9% yesterday and 7% the day before. Composite polling is almost always better.

                      Here is the link for that poll:



                      Also, Rasmussen still has them deadlocked. And they have a major oversampling of republicans by approximately 10%.
                      Last edited by Giancarlo; November 2, 2016, 10:51.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • In my opinion Polls have become unreliable period. Several polls have been vastly misleading and/or influencing the actual votes.
                        Some examples:
                        German Landtagwahlen Poll predictions states AfD would fail to gain any seats ->they got ~10% of the votes.
                        Brexit Polls.. enough said

                        While the cause is unclear, maybe false statements given, maybe wrong statistical analysis, maybe wrong poll target group, maybe a poll influencing actual vote behaviour.. the effect is the same: Polls are at this point more unreliable than ever, or at least as far as I can remember.
                        Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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                        • Here is the problem with that... US polling is given far more weight and many have it down to a science. Polling was also extensively accurate throughout the primaries, barring one mistake (Michigan). US polling is far more accurate.

                          By the way, Brexit polling wasn't far off. Half of the polls indicated leave, while the other half indicated a stay, all within the margin of error. It was close. Maybe someone else can enlighten me on the subject of Brexit polling, but this is what I recall.

                          But in the US it comes down to the electoral college. Based on early voting numbers, there is reasonable suspicion to believe Hillary may being doing better in both Nevada and Florida then believed. She has matched 2012 early voting in Nevada and has come up even in Florida (exceeding 2012 targets). The same is true in North Carolina. So the reality is much of Republican pollsters like Emerson and Remington Research may be understating Hillary's support. Remington is a laugh.

                          Florida is interesting because Republicans always dominated early voting.
                          Last edited by Giancarlo; November 2, 2016, 12:50.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • Dispute the source, but this really did happen.

                            Burning black churches... Wow. The KKK seems to be resurgent and they all back Trump.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • Re: brexit polls this might be an interesting read

                              Financial markets are increasingly concerned about the outcome of the upcoming Brexit referendum, and considerable attention is therefore focused on surveys of voting intentions. Using a Financial Times dataset covering 201 surveys conducted over the past five years, this column reveals that we can learn surprisingly little from these surveys. While in general they predict the vote will be in favour of remaining in the EU, the organisation that conducted each survey seems to be as important as respondents’ voting intentions in determining individual survey results. Moreover, there is a large number of undecided voters who are likely to decide the outcome of the referendum.




                              some more polls outside the FT:
                              Last edited by Main_Brain; November 2, 2016, 13:01.
                              Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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                              • Interesting. So many of the Brexit polls had large numbers of undecided voters? That's not really the case with many US polls at this stage of the game... Most have made up their minds.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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