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  • I would rather live in a nonreligious country. Christianity doesn't automatically make a country more liberal. It has to do with secularism. Some states in the US are more secular. The more religious states are always more impoverished.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • The more religious states are always more impoverished.
      Minor pick, Impoverished states are often more religious.
      It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
      RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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      • Yeah, cos the Vatican.
        One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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        • Originally posted by rah View Post
          Minor pick, Impoverished states are often more religious.
          That is a better way of stating it.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
            Yes, many actually do persecute gay people and many support the republican party. So that is enough for me. But whether they support gay people or not is one issue. Libertarianism is repulsive to me, especially the illogical economic viewpoints.
            The LP supported gay marriage decades ago, when did Hillary and her party jump on board?

            Many Democrats oppose gay marriage even today

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            • Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
              The LP supported gay marriage decades ago, when did Hillary and her party jump on board?

              Many Democrats oppose gay marriage even today
              This is factually untrue. Many libertarians voted republican who are still antigay and many libertarians are against gay marriage today.

              The vast majority of democrats are pro same sex marriage. Think Sanders. While I support Hillary, Sanders always had my respect. Some of his supporters less so. Just because some libertarians support same sex marriage is immaterial to me, when they support destructive economic policies.

              But again, my problem with libertarianism is its fatally flawed economic policies that would only benefit the elite.

              I am not a single issue person. I advocate a myriad of issues.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • What I said is true, the LP has supported gay marriage for decades and many Democrats oppose it... When did Hillary begin supporting gay marriage? When the polls told her it was safe...

                you support a political coward who threw gays to the wolves, the same coward who voted us into a war based on lies so she could run for prez

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                • Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
                  What I said is true, the LP has supported gay marriage for decades and many Democrats oppose it... When did Hillary begin supporting gay marriage? When the polls told her it was safe...

                  you support a political coward who threw gays to the wolves, the same coward who voted us into a war based on lies so she could run for prez
                  Around 2011 more openly when addressing the United Nations. That was before Biden or Obama said anything. I am not buying the lies about Hillary. There are plenty of misconceptions about her manufactured to undermine her Presidential bid and help Trump win.

                  Hillary evolved, much in the same way as Obama did. You attacking them is ridiculous. Public opinion changed because people changed their minds. You ridiculing them for that is tremendously unhelpful and unproductive. If we did that to everybody it would be a good way to reverse public opinion entirely. You don't attack people who changed their minds and decided to accept others for who they are. And in Hillary's case she basically did that while Secretary of State in 2011. She wasn't running for office therefore could speak for more openly.

                  Why the refusal to discuss the other issues libertarians advocate? Like their vile economic and environmental stances? Or how about no accountability for financial malfeasance? They often answer that the private sector can be trusted and regulation should be eliminated. I don't trust them and wouldn't be caught supporting a party of two faced jokers.

                  I will remind you once again... I am NOT a single issue voter. Though the libertarian party may be in favor of one issue I support, they get failing marks on multiple others. Same sex marriage doesn't define me politically. It is a part of what I believe, but there are multiple other issues I strongly disagree with libertarians on. I'm left wing, and I believe in stronger regulations.
                  Last edited by Giancarlo; July 18, 2016, 17:10.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • And I have yet to see any proof indicating that the libertarian party supported it for decades. That is an incorrect suggestion.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
                      And I have yet to see any proof indicating that the libertarian party supported it for decades. That is an incorrect suggestion.


                      Libertarian leader David Boaz says his party endorsed marriage equality — and full rights for gays and lesbians — way before Barack and Hillary.

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                      • Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
                        Around 2011 more openly when addressing the United Nations.
                        wow, she's a champion of gay rights

                        Hillary evolved, much in the same way as Obama did. You attacking them is ridiculous. Public opinion changed because people changed their minds.
                        And she changed her mind after public opinion changed

                        You ridiculing them for that is tremendously unhelpful and unproductive.
                        If public opinion remained against gay marriage would she have "evolved"?

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                        • Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
                          wow, she's a champion of gay rights



                          And she changed her mind after public opinion changed



                          If public opinion remained against gay marriage would she have "evolved"?
                          No. Not necessarily. She changed her mind in 2011, which was before Obama, Biden and the Democratic party. She changed before. Not after.

                          I don't know why you refuse to address any of the other issues I brought. Libertarians must be that horrible on the environment and economy.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • Don't care. The party is repulsive in its other views, such as being progun, probusiness (to an extreme) and anti environment.

                            Do you not understand I am passionate on multiple issues?
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • The latter has California with a higher GDP per capita.
                              As does mine. I haven't done anything terribly strange there.
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                              • Compare 1997 to 2015. Texas has been losing ground over the course of the last 20 or so years.
                                I actually ran a chart from the 70s or so. Texas is now the wealthiest southern state, something it has never been.
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