Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Giancarlo]

The secular argument is that the state has an interest in regularizing marriage in order to protect wives and paternity. This isn't a new argument.

That argument is stupid ****ing bull**** and is not secular. It is the argument of an idiot. And what the heck does regularizing marriage even mean? Same sex marriage doesn't threaten wives, you buffoon.

[Giancarlo]

Same sex marriage does not threaten heterosexual marriage. Period.

[Ben Kenobi]

You are making a false correlation and the study was poorly done based on antiquated standards.

Antiquated? From 2011?

[Ben Kenobi]

And what the heck does regularizing marriage even mean?

It's the argument behind civil marriages in the first place. You cannot argue for homosexual marriage without affirming the principle that the state has the authority to regularize or solemnize marriage.

However, this presupposition is also what distinguishes marriage from the other two things that Ming mentioned. The argument is not over what the role of the state should be, but rather, what should the definition of marriage be?

[Proteus_MST]

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Do either impair the function of the body or interfere with the union of husband or wife?

Well, in this case:
What about women who underwent a sterilisation via Tube ligation and men who underwent a vasectomy?
Their body function with regards to the union of man and wife is impaired, as they cannot have sex with the goal of procreation anymore

So they shouldn't be allowed to marry, right?

Those aren't mutilation.

Hm ... a liposuction involves the cutting away of perfectly well functioning healthy fat cells in your body ..
and labiaplasty can also involve the cutting away ofr perfectly well functioning body cells ...
all for no medical reason, but just in order to satisfy the own vanity

[Giancarlo]

It's the argument behind civil marriages in the first place. You cannot argue for homosexual marriage without affirming the principle that the state has the authority to regularize or solemnize marriage.

However, this presupposition is also what distinguishes marriage from the other two things that Ming mentioned. The argument is not over what the role of the state should be, but rather, what should the definition of marriage be?

You are arguing incorrectly. You don't know what you are talking about.

You have no real argument. Wives aren't harmed if same sex marriage is legalized.

[Giancarlo]

Antiquated? From 2011?

It started with false premises.

It doesn't take into several factors, thus eliminating credibility.

[Giancarlo]

By the way, I only brought up trans people because they are part of the LGBT community. My community. I happen to be genderfluid... Some may say gender queer.

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, in this case:
What about women who underwent a sterilisation via Tube ligation and men who underwent a vasectomy?
Their body function with regards to the union of man and wife is impaired, as they cannot have sex with the goal of procreation anymore

And that's why Catholics are required to disclose these things and failure to disclose is grounds for annulment. You've got it precisely right!

Hm ... a liposuction involves the cutting away of perfectly well functioning healthy fat cells in your body ..

An abundance of which would impair the functioning of the body. So removal of fat cells isn't mutilation.

and labiaplasty can also involve the cutting away ofr perfectly well functioning body cells ...
all for no medical reason, but just in order to satisfy the own vanity

Insofar as labiaplasty doesn't impair the functioning of the labia, there's no issue with it.

[Ben Kenobi]

It started with false premises.

Did you mean articulated, not antiquated?

Wives aren't harmed if same sex marriage is legalized.

Do you understand how presuppositions work? The argument is that the state has an interest in regularizing marriage, to prevent instances of bigamy.

[Giancarlo]

Did you mean articulated, not antiquated?



Do you understand how presuppositions work? The argument is that the state has an interest in regularizing marriage, to prevent instances of bigamy.

Absolutely antiquated. And antiquated still happens to this day. People using obsolete methods to come to false conclusions.

Your premise is incorrect as far as marriage. You have no valid argument against same sex marriage.

[Ben Kenobi]

People using obsolete methods to come to false conclusions.

You'll have to have a better argument explaining exactly how their methodology is "antiquated" beyond referring to a thesaurus. Where's the beef here, Gian?

[Ben Kenobi]

This subject is personal to me

You don't say.

[Giancarlo]

You'll have to have a better argument explaining exactly how their methodology is "antiquated" beyond referring to a thesaurus. Where's the beef here, Gian?

It is an inadequate study that doesn't prove anything. There is no real pattern and the study itself fails miserably at taking into several factors into account.

[Giancarlo]

You don't say.

You took something I said out of context. Like the useless idiot you are.

What if I said I use hormones? Would you cite your bible against me lol? You truly are pathetic.