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  • Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
    It is because it is not what the people who have used the Bible as a holy book for 2000+ years understand the stories to mean or represent.

    It is like you looking at some Egyptian writing and making up stories based on it, and saying that your interpretation is better than that of people who can actually read the writing and base their interpretation on what they read and what they understand of the people of the time (Through other writings/etc).

    JM
    You are cherry picking out of a book with a bloody history because certain verses don't match your viewpoints.

    I don't care for cafeteria Christians.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
      It is because it is not what the people who have used the Bible as a holy book for 2000+ years understand the stories to mean or represent.

      ...
      Well, there are several intrpretations.
      Several protestant denominations, for example, believe that the bible (including the old testament) is to taken literally.
      Which is why they also believe in the deluge and that the theory of evolution is false.

      It is those who accuse other denominations of cherry picking.

      Funny enough I have to agree with them ... who decides what isd to be taken literally and what not.
      Remember for example that the slavers used the bible tgo justify themselves, that slavery is O.K. ...
      and that over millenia bible verses were used to justify, that women have less to say than men ... and are practically subjects of their husband.

      Obviously it is not the morals of the bible that dictate the morals of mankind, but rather the morals of the current society determine, which bible verses can be still taken literally and which should be skipped or seen asd parables
      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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      • Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
        You are cherry picking out of a book with a bloody history because certain verses don't match your viewpoints.

        I don't care for cafeteria Christians.
        It isn't cafeteria Christianity. It is reading the Bible instead of picking out a sentence or story and ignoring everything else (including almost 3000 years of interpretation/etc).

        JM
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        • Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
          Several protestant denominations, for example, believe that the bible (including the old testament) is to taken literally.
          They say they do, but what they mean is that their own interpretation is correct and traditional interpretations or other interpretations is wrong.

          The only way to defend such a position is to say you have some new revelation.

          JM
          (That isn't to say that there are some who don't take the Bible literally, there are people who say it is almost all a myth which can definitely be contrasted with those who say it is historically accurate. But whether you take it to be a more a myth or more historically accurate, you are still interpreting it. And literally no one takes it 100% 'literally'.)
          (From the beginning of Christianity there has been some distance between more what is a 1st person history or what is a figurative story or what is some groups perspective on a past event. This is true for all history, which makes it more like history then like myth. Augustine for example thought the Genesis account of creation was figurative and not literal. Recently there has been a big push from secularists to see the Bible as mostly myth (starting in the 19th century). Over and over again the Bible has been shown to be more historically accurate and less of a myth (see hittites and Hezekiah and many more, still no Moses or David though).
          (see http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/d...omes-to-light/ )
          Jon Miller-
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          • This is the biggest difference between the OT and NT and the Quran.

            The Quran is literally the verbal revelation of God to Muhammed.

            In the OT the only literal verbal revelation of God is to Moses in the 10 commandments. The rest is story (perspective, figurative, or 1st person narrative).

            The NT contains literal verbal revelation of God in the quotes of Christ (if you believe Christ is God) and also stories of His doings and His first followers doings. It doesn't even contain 1st person narrative of Christ and possibly doesn't contain 1st person narrative of the original 12 disciples (it does contain 1st person narrative of the first followers though, as it definitely contains Paul's narrative).

            JM
            (However, Christ often taught in figurative stories. One of the lessons that people should take from Christ and NT/OT is that a relationship with God can only be understood in the framework of a story and not as a set of commands or instructions.)
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            • Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
              It isn't cafeteria Christianity. It is reading the Bible instead of picking out a sentence or story and ignoring everything else (including almost 3000 years of interpretation/etc).

              JM
              It is a book of violence, bigotry and hatred. You only pick the parts you like and you ignore the rest of it. It is exactly that. Cafeteria Christianity.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • (since you can then interpret it to mean anything you want)
                DIng ding ding ding.
                Can anybody truly claim to be the final arbiter?
                No.
                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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                • Originally posted by rah View Post
                  DIng ding ding ding.
                  Can anybody truly claim to be the final arbiter?
                  No.
                  How many times has the Bible been translated and rewritten anyways?

                  The King James version is a laugh. King James was homosexual, and had many relations with men (even a male cousin if I recall correctly). Yet it is known to be the most antigay of them all lol.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • No, the worst is being told that How I read it is obviously so wrong.
                    Yeah, because they get to decide what it means. God told them so.
                    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                    RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                    • Even if you are an atheist and a critic, it is still possible to read it wrong.

                      Because there is historical evidence, you can't say it is just a myth.

                      If you are a solipsist, then sure, but if you are a rationalist than no.

                      And if you are a Christian, there are obviously wrong ways to read it to. Because being a Christian means being in the class of Christians which means having some relationship (Even tentative) with the Christian interpretation.

                      So only, maybe, if you are a non-Christian solipsist or something similar is it possible to say that any interpretation is correct.

                      JM
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                      • The bible says that god himself ordered to kill all AMalekites, including women and children and even their cattle.
                        IIRC there was even a passage where the israelites were punished by god, when one of their generals didn't carry out an order for genocide, but instead "just"had his men take the virgin women of the conquered town as sex slaves
                        Funny. I always hear the Amalekites in this argument, but I never hear the first appearance of the Amalekites in scripture. Why is that?
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                        • Yes death cult, you're a religion centred around the hero worship of someone who deliberately got himself killed in an extremely gruesome way (which incidentally is technically suicide), and who festoon your decadent palaces of worship (built off the labour and wealth of countless generations of desperately poor indentured workers and slaves) with symbols of torture and death. Oh and of course use that symbolism and the act that led to it as a way to guilt trip countless more generations of children and adults. Sounds like a death cult to me.
                          How is it suicide? He was arrested by the civil authorities for preaching what they perceived to be sermons against the powers that be, he was tortured by those selfsame authorities without a trial. He was then imprisoned and then executed in less than a week after his arrest, in a brutal fashion being left on a cross to die.

                          You complain about Gitmo?

                          Considering how badly socially retarded you yourself are, I can understand where the confusion arises.
                          I *was* educated in the public system, so I totally see your point there...

                          You mean like Ethiopia, Democratic Republic of the Congo and Nigeria?
                          Your words, not mine. LOL

                          The government should not be paying for religious activities of any kind, if you want a church then pay for it yourself.
                          Then why did you say you wanted to strip accreditation from independent religious schools, Kentonio?

                          The fact you only want to run schools if you can also indoctrinate the kids, shows its nothing more than a mass advertising scam for you.
                          The fact that we easily dominate standardized testing suggests otherwise.

                          You're a moron. Not having a religion is not the same as having a competing religion.
                          Stripping accreditation from independent Catholic schools because they are Catholic and use different curricula is the step from 'liberal' to 'zealot'. I have no issues with making us do standardized tests every year. But if we pass, then the state has no say as to what we are teaching.

                          If they want to be bible bashers, let them decide that when they're old enough to make important decisions. Obviously the Catholic church has plenty of history of trying to make kids participate in adult activities however, so I can see why you struggle with this issue.
                          We reject the presupposition that education and religion should be kept separate.

                          You grew up a protestant did you not? You do understand that's also a branch of Christianity, right?
                          Nope. My parents were non-practicing.

                          Children are not the property of their parents, parents are supposed to be the protectors of their children. If the most important thing to you is to brainwash your kids into your belief system, you shouldn't be allowed to have kids in the first place.
                          If parents are supposed to protect their children part of that includes responsibility for their education.
                          Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                          "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                          • Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
                            Even if you are an atheist and a critic, it is still possible to read it wrong.

                            Because there is historical evidence, you can't say it is just a myth.

                            If you are a solipsist, then sure, but if you are a rationalist than no.

                            And if you are a Christian, there are obviously wrong ways to read it to. Because being a Christian means being in the class of Christians which means having some relationship (Even tentative) with the Christian interpretation.

                            So only, maybe, if you are a non-Christian solipsist or something similar is it possible to say that any interpretation is correct.

                            JM
                            Wrong? Because of what? We read it wrong lol?

                            The bible isn't fact itself. Its mainly fiction. It may borrow from historical records, but that doesn't mean anything.

                            In the end, George Carlin was right... "My god has a bigger dick than your god". That is all it is in the end. Fantasy and delusion.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • Catholic schools do often try to seek government money. That is why need their government recognized accreditation stripped.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                                Funny. I always hear the Amalekites in this argument, but I never hear the first appearance of the Amalekites in scripture. Why is that?
                                Because it doesn't matter
                                ... would you have advocated the erradication of all germans after WW2, including the women and children and their cattle/pets for the things they did to the jews? And that was worse than the things the AMalekites did to the israelites according to the bible
                                Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                                Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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