What is this EXTRA tax that we are arguing for? No one here is suggesting that they be taxed for things that others are not.
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A soup kitchen is at a specific location ... and can be exempted from property tax.
A church or a scientology mission building also are specific buildings and could be taxed with property taxScouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by rah View PostJust more fear mongering.
And you're already paying taxes so they've already come for you.
Just more fear mongering.
Unlike in your world where if I value Monet or Pavarotti I am treated in one fashion but if I value Greg Boyd I am treated in another fashion (with much higher taxes).
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In all my 60 + years I've never seen anybody every turned away from partaking of the eucharist.
Not everything the church does is for charity so why should they be fully exempt. The should get a tax benefit for just their charity work like everybody else.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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6 figure fines for any parish that dares to say that homosexuality is a sin,
On the cake fine, I do think it was excessive. I think a lot of punitive fines are and I've think they've all gotten excessive.
But they're seemingly consistent so I don't think you can say that they were singled out.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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Uh. Wow. *EVERY* Parish I've been to has made it clear that only confirmed Catholics in good standing are permitted to partake. This is basic, basic, Catholic doctrine.
In all my 60 + years I've never seen anybody every turned away from partaking of the eucharist.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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Obviously you don't understand
The church tax isn't collected from the church ... but rather it is collected by the state, from church members, for the church.
All church taxes collected are given to the church
With other words, it is some kind of state sanctioned membership fee for belonging to one of the churches
I'm actually in favor of removing this altogether, and the restoration of all the Catholic schools that were seized.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Have you ever seen anyone go up during a service and been turned away?
Rah, have you heard the priest come up and say that only Catholics were permitted to take communion? In your 60+ years.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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On the cake fine, I do think it was excessive. I think a lot of punitive fines are and I've think they've all gotten excessive.
But they're seemingly consistent so I don't think you can say that they were singled out.
Next up will be confiscation of property for everyone who resists. They won't touch the churches- they'll go after the parishioners until they feel that they can get away with shutting them down altogether.
You laughed when I said everything about homosexual marriage, and everything I said 10 years ago has come true.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ming View PostNone of us have advocated for "extra taxes"... just the same taxes as everybody else pays.
Not at all... fair taxes, not more or extra.
Yet again, nobody is arguing for that at all. Try again.
Gee... marketing and advertising get taxed... why is religion is different?
Yeah... treat them all the same.
Please quote where any of us have said that. Right now, religions pay NO taxes, yet everybody else and business do. I guess everybody and all business are getting persecuted.
See http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...ligion/480903/
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They even cited Pope Francis, pointing to a 2015 statement he made about the Catholic priests and nuns in Europe who said they could not house refugees in nearly empty monasteries and convents because they were renting out empty rooms to tourists. “Well, if that is what you want to do, then pay taxes!” the pope said. “A religious school is tax-exempt because it is religious, but if it is functioning as a hotel, then it should pay taxes just like its neighbor. Otherwise it is not fair business.”
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All everybody is saying that they should be taxed fairly. Charity work and community work should be exempt from taxes.
I will continue to laugh at Ben and his concerns. It's all simple fear mongering. A discussion on fair taxes for all doesn't validate any of his concerns.
Why should religions get a free ride on taxes? Are you saying that 100% of what they do is charity?
What about Scientology and many of the televangilists. A bunch of rep off artists playing at religion.
I suggested mechanisms to rain in abuse. One is to have a special tax for those who lead (or work at) non-profits. This would get rid of the abuse that goes on at all types of non-profits, not just religious ones.
You are singling out religions for special treatment due to a failure that is common for non-profits in general. This is persecution.
JM
(see http://www.nzcpr.com/the-failure-of-...itable-entity/ for example of the same sort of thing that one could complain about (like Francis or I) as a non-religious organisation. Or all of the other stories you can tell.)Last edited by Jon Miller; June 29, 2016, 11:14.Jon Miller-
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Having all charities pay property taxes in some manner is also reasonable.
My serious disagreement is about singling out religion in any special way.
Which I think you agree with me on, you just don't realize that religions currently do not receive special treatment that is different from other non-profits (other than that they get a little less investigation about their behavior because of Bill of Rights).
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostYes I have.
Rah, have you heard the priest come up and say that only Catholics were permitted to take communion? In your 60+ years.
People aren't asked for their Catholic ID card while they're standing up there. I've known many non catholics that have gone up just to try the experience.
They were never denied.
Why were they denied in your example and how was it done?It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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Having all charities pay property taxes in some manner is also reasonable.
My serious disagreement is about singling out religion in any special way.
Minor details maybe, but not in principle.
Some non-profits do pay property taxes.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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I have attended Mass a few times. At my friends wedding in Minnesota we were asked to cross our arms for a blessing and I did so. At a Christmas service I attended in Vancouver (BC) I was not asked to do so. I don't remember if I asked for the blessing or partook.
No one checked my ID.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostThank you. 6 figures for one cake is excessive, will be struck down.
Next up will be confiscation of property for everyone who resists. They won't touch the churches- they'll go after the parishioners until they feel that they can get away with shutting them down altogether.
You laughed when I said everything about homosexual marriage, and everything I said 10 years ago has come true.
I have no clue what you are talking about. But you are probably just making stuff up again.
Homosexuals are now allowed to get married. If you claimed that fine. If you are talking about the RCC being forced to by the government to marry gays... it hasn't come true.
If you are talking about the RCC being forced to change their stance on gays... it hasn't come true. While you can say that many people think the views of the RCC should be changed, the government isn't forcing anything. Show me the laws where that is happening.
Discrimination is Discrimination. The pope isn't asking people to change their views on homosexual marriages or that homosexual acts are not sinful. But he is being very CHRISTIAN by saying you shouldn't discriminate against gays, and the church owes them an apology for the way the RCC has treated them. There is NOTHING against your so called catechism that is against what he is telling Catholics.
Same with pharmacists dispensing abortifacients. There is a difference between not dispensing aspirin and not dispensing abortifacients and folks seem to pretend that there is no difference between the two to force folks to violate their conscience.
When you're in favor of 6 figure fines, and presumably, very soon, 6 figure fines for any parish that dares to say that homosexuality is a sin, we are not far. People are going to choose not to pay. Then we get to see which way the jackboots turn when payment is withheld.Keep on Civin'
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