Sharia Law at Wal Mart [Trigger Warning: People Arguing With Ben]

[Ben Kenobi]

Oh that's when Italy was liberated.

Yeah sure. "liberated". Funny - the Americans actually paid for most of their land, but the Italians couldn't be bothered to do the same.

[Berzerker]

They were executing an innocent civilian. How does this pertain to fighting a war?

What verse did Jesus say he was fine with Roman soldiers or soldiering in general? Jesus was executed for claiming to be the Messiah, how was Jesus innocent of the charge? Where did Jesus endorse war?

Yeah sure. "liberated". Funny - the Americans actually paid for most of their land, but the Italians couldn't be bothered to do the same.

Who did we pay?

[Ben Kenobi]

Who did we pay

You paid the Spanish, Mexicans, British, French and Russians. Only territory you didn't pay for was Guadaloupe-Hildago which you took as war spoils for the Mexican War. Which technically was an extension of the Tex-Mex independence war. That, plus the original 13 east of the Appalachians, which the British ceded.

What verse did Jesus say he was fine with Roman soldiers or soldiering in general? Jesus was executed for claiming to be the Messiah, how was Jesus innocent of the charge? Where did Jesus endorse war?

Jesus was innocent of the charge of sedition as he wasn't claiming to be an earthly king. As for soldiering, he never told the soldier to leave his position and come follow him. He did tell the rich man to give up his wealth.

[Sava]

He did tell the rich man to give up his wealth.

Funny how that isn't your personal crusade... something Jesus actually talked about.

[Ben Kenobi]

Funny how that isn't your personal crusade... something Jesus actually talked about.

He also said that it had to be voluntary, not taken from others at the point of a gun.

[Sava]

and yet you aren't on wall street harassing bankers with gruesome protest signs

[giblets]

It's more fun to harass women who can't afford a baby

[Berzerker]

You paid the Spanish, Mexicans, British, French and Russians. Only territory you didn't pay for was Guadaloupe-Hildago which you took as war spoils for the Mexican War. Which technically was an extension of the Tex-Mex independence war. That, plus the original 13 east of the Appalachians, which the British ceded.

But we didn't pay the people who actually owned the land, we paid people who stole it too

Jesus was innocent of the charge of sedition as he wasn't claiming to be an earthly king. As for soldiering, he never told the soldier to leave his position and come follow him. He did tell the rich man to give up his wealth.

He wasn't found innocent and the soldiers dont make that determination anyway, and Messiah means king of the Jews. So what verse did Jesus say he was fine with soldiers doing their soldiering, you know, killing Jews?

crickets

[Ben Kenobi]

and yet you aren't on wall street harassing bankers with gruesome protest signs

You're probably sipping from a starbucks cup when you say this.

[Ben Kenobi]

But we didn't pay the people who actually owned the land, we paid people who stole it tooI

The people who owned the land are the people whom the US bought it from. If they didn't, how could the US have bought it from them?

He wasn't found innocent and the soldiers dont make that determination anyway, and Messiah means king of the Jews. So what verse did Jesus say he was fine with soldiers doing their soldiering, you know, killing Jews?

Where does he condemn a soldier for his profession?

[Berzerker]

The people who owned the land are the people whom the US bought it from. If they didn't, how could the US have bought it from them?

We didn't buy the land from the owners, we bought it from the thieves, when we weren't stealing it ourselves of course... We paid Europeans to relinquish whatever claims they were making to lands owned by other people. We paid them to get out of the way, they had no rightful claim to those lands in the first place.

Where does he condemn a soldier for his profession?

The Golden Rule, all that talk about love and peace, the meek, not resisting evil-doers... Now where did Jesus say he was fine with some guy being a soldier?

[Ben Kenobi]

We didn't buy the land from the owners, we bought it from the thieves

Given that all current title in the US is subsidiary to this, are you arguing that no one truly owns land? The purchasee is not responsible for how the purchase was obtained - we don't jail them for legitimately buying something, especially land, when it turns out their seller did not actually own it. Nor does it make the purchaser a thief.

We paid Europeans to relinquish whatever claims they were making to lands owned by other people.

But the land wasn't owned by other people. When the US purchased the land - it was owned by Europeans.

they had no rightful claim to those lands in the first place.

Call me when you give your land away.

[Proteus_MST]

Given that all current title in the US is subsidiary to this, are you arguing that no one truly owns land? The purchasee is not responsible for how the purchase was obtained - we don't jail them for legitimately buying something, especially land, when it turns out their seller did not actually own it. Nor does it make the purchaser a thief.
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Well, the land was rightfully owned by the indian tribes of the regions.
Partially the indians were scammed out of their possession of the land, by being forced to sign treaties that they didn´t fully understand ... and partially they were forcefully deposited (and often relocated into reservates with bad, infertile land) when they didn´t want to sign any treaties.

Not to mention those tribes that were enslaved and forced to convert to the christian faith ... with the help of christian missionaries/priests

[Bereta_Eder]

The purchaser IS responsible for where the purchasee bought the goods.
If he knows it's from thieft he's a thieft acceptor.
Very bad.
Having killed the one he stole it from, doesn't make things better, it's worse.

[ricketyclik]

"Christians have only murdered half as many people as Muslims have, therefore Christianity is half as evil as Islam." Is that the sort of reasoning you're trying to apply here? I certainly hope it isn't, but not much would surprise me at this point.

About a million Iraqi civilians died in Gulf War II aka the Iraq War.