Christian business owners . . .

[Kidlicious]

I don't see why Cockney needs my help, he's dismantling you just fine Kid.



Okay. Still not seeing where you disagree...

We aren't debating my beliefs, and we won't be. We're debating your belief that you aren't a Christian unless you believe in Catholic doctrine and creeds.

[Ben Kenobi]

Basically, they are you and BK and Imran just arguing their fairy tale is superior to your fairy tale and so they're the ones with the best claim to "Christian".

If a Buddhist told you what constituted Buddhism and argued with Christians over what constituted Buddhism, who would you believe was right, the Buddhists or the Christians?

[Sava]

you aren't helping

[Ben Kenobi]

We're debating your belief that you aren't a Christian unless you believe in Catholic doctrine and creeds.

The Athanasian Creed, while Catholic has been accepted by Lutherans, Anglicans, almost all protestants. If you're going to state my argument, you should at least state it correctly. There are other creeds, but this is the one in this discussion. Imran's already brought up Nicaea.

[Kidlicious]

yeah Republicans are fine with people who are different as long as you pretend not to be different and never discuss how you are different or attempt to feel any sort of pride in what makes you different...

also, it helps if you are willing to believe in policies that are harmful to your group

that's how they have the occasional uncle tom and woman

It's not just Republicans who use the word "Christian" correctly. It's everyone who uses a dictionary.

[Ben Kenobi]

Wow, I look forward to the day of the Book of Webster right alongside Paul and Peter.

[Kidlicious]

The Athanasian Creed, while Catholic has been accepted by Lutherans, Anglicans, almost all protestants. If you're going to state my argument, you should at least state it correctly. There are other creeds, but this is the one in this discussion. Imran's already brought up Nicaea.

Then they accept a Catholic creed. Seriously, what is wrong with you?

(It's also called the Universal Church which I horse ****)

[giblets]

Please post the new testament's definition of what a christian is.

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[Kidlicious]

Wow, I look forward to the day of the Book of Webster right alongside Paul and Peter.

You and Imran don't qualify as Christians the way the Bible defines the word.

[Kidlicious]

Please post the new testament's definition of what a christian is.

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This

[Sava]

BK is obviously not one. I'd say Imran is in spirit. He could be more of a full fledged Christian if he went to an Orthodox church (if he doesn't already).

[C0ckney]

That's what I said.

i'm tempted to say read the bible, but i'm in a good mood so i'll lavish a serious response on you.

the trinity reveals the nature, the who and what if you like, of god. without the trinity, as presented in the scriptures, one can neither understand god nor jesus' words and actions on earth in a christian context.

[Kidlicious]

BK is obviously not one. I'd say Imran is in spirit. He could be more of a full fledged Christian if he went to an Orthodox church (if he doesn't already).

[Kidlicious]

i'm tempted to say read the bible, but i'm in a good mood so i'll lavish a serious response on you.

the trinity reveals the nature, the who and what if you like, of god. without the trinity, as presented in the scriptures, one can neither understand god nor jesus' words and actions on earth in a christian context.

Then how can you understand the Bible?

[Aeson]

You asserted that the Church has changed her doctrine. I ask for some examples. That you can't find any doesn't make me stupid.

No, that you would need me to inform you about them makes you stupid.

A direct citation from Brigham Young doesn't constitute proof in Mormonism? Wow.

Obviously not. If it did, there wouldn't have been any debate, and Adam-God wouuld have been official LDS Doctrine. But the LDS Church went with Pratt rather than Young on that matter. That's simply what happened.

On what grounds do you use the Book of Mormon?

I don't use the Book of Mormon. You brought it up. It's irrelevant to what we were discussing.

And nothing to do with a set of golden plates that Joseph Smith claimed he found in America? That, when pressed as to their origin refused to show them; a set of plates that, and I repeat myself here, nobody save Joseph Smith has seen?

You'll have to pardon my skepticism here.

You're a very special type of moron.

You say heresay and yet condemn heresy. Odd that? Heresay, or heresy? You decide.

Again, you're a moron. Heresy is meaningless to me. It just means, "my fairy tale is better than your fairy tale".

Heresay on the other hand is a useful word to describe when no proof is offered.

I'd argue that if your case is based on disagreeing with Brigham Young - that your case has little merit regarding Mormonism. You condemn Brigham Young when inconvenient, and uphold him when convenient.

You clearly don't understand anything about the LDS Church or how it's doctrine developed over time. Pratt won out on that specific argument. Just because you've heard of Young but not of Pratt doesn't change that.

So you're asserting that your definition, since you are not a Christian is more accurate?

I'm saying the dictionary definition is the dictionary definition and it applies to Mormons. I personally don't care to make up my own definition.

Uh, ok. Except that there's this little thing called the sacrament of ordination, which last I checked Joseph Smith never received.

You really can't read, can you? That has nothing to do with what you quoted. It's not even in the same ballpark

What I initially said was that what you were doing was the same as saying anything a Catholic has ever said is offical Catholic doctrine. You replied that that was exactly how it was. (Even though clearly you were confused about what you were affirming.) I responded to p oint out you had just said that every Catholic who has ever said anything is the Magisterium in and of themselves, pointing out how ****ing stupid your response was.

Now you respond to that about ordination of Joseph Smith? You're way off your rocker ...

As for ordination of Joseph Smith, it was done by Peter, James, and John. Sure it's a fairy tale, but if you're going to pretend there's something important about ordination, you've already adopted that fairy tale (whether as your own belief or as a given in the hypothetical).

Then why accept the Book of Mormon and the Golden Plates?

I don't.

So why are you arguing that you're a Christian if you reject the Resurrection? You're not making a good case for it.

I'm arguing that Mormons are Christian by the dictionary definition of the term. All your intellectual dishonesty and stupidity isn't going to change what I'm arguing to what you want it to be.